2021/22 Lucas Digne

[Eggsyblueskin]

You’ve clearly never met my old construction directors. The site managers are chilled compared to them.

I’ve worked for some complete and utter sociopaths and they get away with it. It’s becoming less prevalent but the bullies are still very much out there and thriving. Benitez is relaxed in comparison.

Yeah , I’ve dealt those sociopaths in my time, a lot of the time the construction industry is more akin to the Wild West than a place of work.
But you soon learn to stand up for yourself and take no crap ,or you go under.

 

[Bluestar]

I don’t do a desk based job and I can confidently say that if a site manager came in with the same management style as Benitez he’d be picking up his teeth within the hour of starting.
Antagonistic management only produces conflict , ill feeling and resentment which results in deteriorating performance , wherever it is employed.

We have poor performance throughout the club already. It’s why we have been performed so badly under successive managers.

I recognise that you don’t want it all the time, but when things are as broken as they are at Everton it needs blowing up and starting again.

We have been a shambles for years. We have tried all the sweet soft tactics and they haven’t work. Time to start again.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I tried so hard not to be a shouting site manager but the pressure gets to you. Ashamed to admit I fully lost it a handful of times.

Hard not to feel sympathy for the site managers , most of the workforce is self employed so you have to be circumspect to get results , then you’ve got the contract managers and building directors trying to reduce the build time down to unrealistic timeframes and demanding more handovers per month.
But then I remember your big fat bonuses

 

[Baines' left foot]

Yeah , I’ve dealt those sociopaths in my time, a lot of the time the construction industry is more akin to the Wild West than a place of work.
But you soon learn to stand up for yourself and take no crap ,or you go under.

It’s also funny how quickly these guys become your best mate as soon as you call them out on their crap.

The best site I worked on had a good amount of female management staff. They seem to help bring things down a notch or two.

 

[Bluestar]

Fine so we can all agree he must be sacked

He has had half a season with a negative spend and crippling injuries. He won’t get a free pass off me if the results don’t improve when key players return, but I do recognise the situation the injuries have put us in.

I will watch and wait and judge at tgd end of the season.

Having said all that, I entirely expect the owner to give him another season because the constant changing of managers has created the problem we are in.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Hard not to feel sympathy for the site managers , most of the workforce is self employed so you have to be circumspect to get results , then you’ve got the contract managers and building directors trying to reduce the build time down to unrealistic timeframes and demanding more handovers per month.
But then I remember your big fat bonuses

By nature managing people who don’t actually work for you is tough. Getting them to care about other people’s work, health and safety etc. isn’t easy. 12 hour days became normal. I’m glad I’ve left it behind.

Haha, the best bonus I got was £500! I was clearly with the wrong company or needed to go up a level.

 

[blulouie]

They have a better squad, poor Rafael has to make do with the hand he has been dealt and the mess Carlo left

You are sounding very confused now.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

We have poor performance throughout the club already. It’s why we have been performed so badly under successive managers.

I recognise that you don’t want it all the time, but when things are as broken as they are at Everton it needs blowing up and starting again.

We have been a shambles for years. We have tried all the sweet soft tactics and they haven’t work. Time to start again.

You won’t build anything worthwhile with an such an authoritarian manager.
All you will end up with is a supine and cowed workforce more concerned with not making mistakes than showing initiative and taking chances to improve.
At a football club you will end up with a dour, functional team that plays within its capabilities and collapses when the preferred tactics fail.
A team that will need fixing again if you install a more progressive manager or with which you are restricted to continuing with the same dour style into the far future.

 

[davek]

Is this where the manager said that the player had told him he was unavailable because of illness? If so, it turned out that several other players were ill as well. Funny how Digne's sickness is the only one highlighted.

Of course, maybe there was another statement from Benitez saying that Digne had refused to play, if so please let us know about it, link etc.

No. He said that he trained well all week and that he was fine in the last training session...then he followed that up by stating that Digne had informed him he wouldn't be available to be picked the following day.

Youl'd have to be a bit 'kin thick not to be able to pick the bones out of those two back to back sentences

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

By nature managing people who don’t actually work for you is tough. Getting them to care about other people’s work, health and safety etc. isn’t easy. 12 hour days became normal. I’m glad I’ve left it behind.

Haha, the best bonus I got was £500! I was clearly with the wrong company or needed to go up a level.

Best site managers come from the trades and have an understanding of the realities of what is possible. If managers are reasonable and personable you always try to keep them happy. Quid pro quo.
But nowadays a lot of managers are young kids straight from college and they are largely utter bells who never seem to get it. You can only work with them by ignoring them completely.

 

[Bluestar]

You won’t build anything worthwhile with an such an authoritarian manager.
All you will end up with is a supine and cowed workforce more concerned with not making mistakes than showing initiative and taking chances to improve.
At a football club you will end up with a dour, functional team that plays within its capabilities and collapses when the preferred tactics fail.
A team that will need fixing again if you install a more progressive manager or with which you are restricted to continuing with the same dour style into the far future.

He’s trophy haul begs to differ.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You won’t build anything worthwhile with an such an authoritarian manager.
All you will end up with is a supine and cowed workforce more concerned with not making mistakes than showing initiative and taking chances to improve.
At a football club you will end up with a dour, functional team that plays within its capabilities and collapses when the preferred tactics fail.
A team that will need fixing again if you install a more progressive manager or with which you are restricted to continuing with the same dour style into the far future.

*Looks at most successful managers over the past 20 years.

Not sure this is true mate.

 

[roy vernon]

No. He said that he trained well all week and that he was fine in the last training session...then he followed that up by stating that Digne had informed him he wouldn't be available to be picked the following day.

Youl'd have to be a bit 'kin thick not to be able to pick the bones out of those two back to back sentences

So, in other words he never actually said what you have implied he did, it’s just your interpretation of his statement and bears no relationship to what he actually said, in other words it is not factual, it is your opinion. Trying to spin it as fact is actually tantamount to fibbing.

 

[davek]

So, in other words he never actually said what you have implied he did, it’s just your interpretation of his statement and bears no relationship to what he actually said, in other words it is not factual, it is your opinion. Trying to spin it as fact is actually tantamount to fibbing.

It's ridiculous not to make the connection is what Ilm saying.

If someone were to say a player trained all week and was fine and was available for selection you wouldn't bat an eyelid. If they said they trained and were fine but they have chosen not to make themselves available that is a double take moment. Benitez knew what he was doing and how it would be (correctly) interpreted.

But please, dont let me stop you from defending some bang average Frenchman weho has turned his back on this club because he cant take orders form a manager....flouncing off with his Gallic shrugs.

Bollox to Digne and any other refusenik who wont pull the royal blue on when asked.

 

[roy vernon]

It's ridiculous not to make the connection is what Ilm saying.

If someone were to say a player trained all week and was fine and was available for selection you wouldn't bat an eyelid. If they said they trained and were fine but they have chosen not to make themselves available that is a double take moment. Benitez knew what he was doing and how it would be (correctly) interpreted.

But please, dont let me stop you from defending some bang average Frenchman weho has turned his back on this club because he cant take orders form a manager....flouncing off with his Gallic shrugs.

Bollox to Digne and any other refusenik who wont pull the royal blue on when asked.

So, he said he was ill, so did 4 or 5 other players, they also had trained all week and weren’t available for selection, but, you are prepared to believe them and disbelieve Digne. That is your prerogative Dave, maybe you’re right, maybe you’re wrong, but, it is an opinion, you have been trying to spin it as a statement the manager made and have now, surprise surprise, changed your position ever so slightly to avoid having to admit that you are making things up.