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2021/22 Lucas Digne

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MikeH72 said:
According to some stats, which are clearly rubbish. He obviously isn’t our best tackler, he can’t tackle to save his life.
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'some stats' - these are the stats which every single PL team pays millions to use and do all of their analysis off. You can moan about it all you like, it's a huge part of the game.

I've added to my post now as realise I didn't add a bit of what could have been helpful context in. Stats must always be taken into context.

I think it was the West Ham game (can't remember for sure), but Digne attempted 7 tackles and won 3. So he was below 50%. However, that's the highest number of tackles a full-back has had to attempt in a PL game this season. Most of the time it's down at 3-4 tops, and 1-2 for centre-backs.

So that context shows that he was being exposed and having to tackle more. I think that's a system issue but also know that he's not been playing well and has at times left himself needing to put in tackles to cover for a mistake he's made. But like I said, most teams defenders don't actually have to tackle that much. It can paint an interesting picture of how a team is setting up and you know, exposing their own players.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
It’s easy to bore people when you chat absolute wham to be fair.

That post has got to be one of the biggest collection of straw man arguments I’ve ever seen in one place.

You seem to be under the impression that saying stats are a useful tool in football (which is backed up by the fact that nearly every top level team have advanced data analytics teams) is the same as saying “with stats you never have to watch a football match ever again!”
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Stats were being used to "show" that Digne had been playing well when it was fairly clear to anybody watching that he has been struggling. It's the perfect example of what I am saying! The stats are leading the discussion as opposed to what is actually being seen. The reality compared to what is on paper.

I am saying its a massively overplayed tool because it really is. "XG", "duels won", "dribbles completed" none of this is an actual thing. It is a metric that has been determined to be useful by the people making the statistics. Of course all clubs have analytical teams, they will go through anything to get the tiniest of advantage over the rest of the clubs and I feel like people are being blinded by the science of it.

It's something I feel passionate about, if you want to dismiss it as "absolute wham" and not even take on board what I am saying (obviously not expecting agreement) and go to that level then whatever.

Quite disappointing really.
 
Papa Shango said:
Stats were being used to "show" that Digne had been playing well when it was fairly clear to anybody watching that he has been struggling. It's the perfect example of what I am saying! The stats are leading the discussion as opposed to what is actually being seen. The reality compared to what is on paper.

I am saying its a massively overplayed tool because it really is. "XG", "duels won", "dribbles completed" none of this is an actual thing. It is a metric that has been determined to be useful by the people making the statistics. Of course all clubs have analytical teams, they will go through anything to get the tiniest of advantage over the rest of the clubs and I feel like people are being blinded by the science of it.

It's something I feel passionate about, if you want to dismiss it as "absolute wham" and not even take on board what I am saying (obviously not expecting agreement) and go to that level then whatever.

Quite disappointing really.
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I’m taking on board what you’re saying, I’m just saying that I believe you’re wrong and stuck in an outmoded way of thinking, and the majority of those involved in high level football agree with me.
 

BirkenheadBlue said:
I’m taking on board what you’re saying, I’m just saying that I believe you’re wrong and stuck in an outmoded way of thinking, and the majority of those involved in high level football agree with me.
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The majority of those involved in high level football don’t look at spreadsheets to determine whether a football player is good or bad actually.
 
Full backs these days are there to stop the cross, and to provide lateral support to the attack.

passing and crossing are more important than tackling. This is why Wan Bisakka is so awful.
 

Papa Shango said:
Pickford.

Well he put in my favourite tackle in recent times.
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and mine :D
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
I’m taking on board what you’re saying, I’m just saying that I believe you’re wrong and stuck in an outmoded way of thinking, and the majority of those involved in high level football agree with me.
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I it really that outmoded for me to say that the stats are not representative of what is actually happening in a great deal of case as no variance is taken in to account?

Maybe the variance is taken into account in these high level football clubs. Massive databases with loads of detail right down to the last minutiae. That would make a lot more sense.

But to just take Player A's assist stats and say he is doing well or Player B is great as he has an XG of 0.6 per game is not really something that is overly reliable.
 
I think Godfrey is a better left back. Whether he would agree is open to question!

Certainly Digne has not been the genuine article this season.
 

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