Man City fan lets rip...

[ClausThomsen]

Well its not like we didn't know already but it proves that if you want to be successful then you have to spend money.
Look at that 'spending' table it almost resembles the league table for 95% of the time and all the trophies over that period have been shared out between the teams who have spent the most. The same teams fighting for Europe and same teams fighting relegation.

Unfortunately that's modern day football. It sucks but it is what it is.

No. That's football.

The relationship between spending and success is by no means a modern phenomena.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

If we won the league next season, yeah, I know, and some in the media pointed out that some rich lads have been a very big reason why, would you be arsed?

Thats what I dont get. Some City fan in the football media business crying cos not enough nice stuff is said about his club. (And he is wrong btw). What he doesnt like is the reality of their success is being questioned. Chelsea fans dont seem to moan about RA, and he/they get pelters all the time.

Well, yes. I would. Especially when, as he correctly points out, it's so at odds with the narrative when The rs or Utd are involved.

We dared to go top of the league in the early days of the season and even from over here in Spain, alI could hear and read was 'big spending Everton' this and 'the high spending blues' that. When the reality is we spent 60 odd million on 4 players and the rs spent the same amount on 2 players.

Yes, the politics of convenience bothers me a lot.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

You honestly saying Peps Man City teams havnt been praised?

Not to anywhere near the same degree as the rs, Utd or Arsenal back in the day.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

No. That's football.

The relationship between spending and success is by no means a modern phenomena.

Blackburn Rovers...

 

[ArtetaMagic]

Blackburn Rovers...

Spent money

 

[Shibbywiggles]

If we were winning stuff I genuinely wouldn’t care what the media said. I’d write my own articles and flood the internet with how boss we are.

The very simple reason that City don’t get as much press coverage is because there are less people that will click/buy those articles/papers/magazines. I live down south about an hour away from London and genuinely 80% of the kids in my school in the 90s who were into football supported RS or Man U. The other 19% supported Arsenal or Chelsea and me and 2 mates supported Everton, West Ham and Spurs. We were the only ones different! The media knows this is how it is and knows that whatever the situation on the table or in the cups they will sell more/get more clicks from writing about Man U or the RS.

These days I’m sure there are loads of glory hunting kid City fans. If they keep up a Man Utd-like level of dominance for 10-20 years and these kids become adults who buy stuff I’m sure more stuff will be written about City too.

 

[PaulPowersTash]

Hi looses all credibility when he says they are not state run and instead owned by an "individal" - it is that very brainwashing that gets them into this mess.

my two cents for what its worth....

I should say from the outset, i've always had a soft spot for Man City, I was bright to Maine Road as a kid and was delighted to see them get back into top flight football, but I was not a fan to the take over and the transition the club went through as a result. They lost a lot of their fans, who rightly questioned the deal and with that the soul of the club was damaged although clear not eradicated, which is great for the club and new owners.

Their achievements since have been incredible, they have invested strategically and have 5 leagues to show for it, but it doesnt change the fact that they have achieved this through financial doping, they have accepted their guilt and paid the fines (twice now), they did their deal with the devil (which is fine) but the consequence of it is the asterix beside any if their achievements.

Their reality is the media, the public in general and the football fraternity, will never give them the credit they deserve, but that's the trade off they have for the way they have gained their success, they are a showpony for an arab state & they are treated that way, their wins will be forgotten by history, we dont see Premier league years when they win leagues and their biggest moment "Aguerooooo" is remembered as much for costing United is a league as it is City's win.

Where for me this gets interesting is the players, they also dont get recognition outside the club, that again some of them deserve, David silva should be talked about like Scholes, Lampard etc, he is not. De Bruyne doesnt get the credit her deserves, again this is the trade off for representing an Arab state.

I mentioned in another thread recently the "emthyhad" jibes as the epitome of the challange that city have, the owners are desperate to portray an institution like Barca or United, but the reality is they have resorted to falsifying their gate numbers (Source - GMP reports) to give themselves some credibility, it's a desperate move from an ownership, who offer "influencers" free admission in exchange for instagram posts.

Ultimately, your man is right, there is apathy towards them, the media aren't bothered, because they cant get ratings when they are on, the papers wont do an 8 page pull out because it wont sell and history will forget their achievements or at a minimum belittle them, but that is the price of dancing with the devil the have. I wouldnt want to see us go the same route, even if it it meant 5 titles in 10 years.

Absolute total bollocks.

 

[DrEFC]

Hi looses all credibility when he says they are not state run and instead owned by an "individal" - it is that very brainwashing that gets them into this mess.

my two cents for what its worth....

I should say from the outset, i've always had a soft spot for Man City, I was bright to Maine Road as a kid and was delighted to see them get back into top flight football, but I was not a fan to the take over and the transition the club went through as a result. They lost a lot of their fans, who rightly questioned the deal and with that the soul of the club was damaged although clear not eradicated, which is great for the club and new owners.

Their achievements since have been incredible, they have invested strategically and have 5 leagues to show for it, but it doesnt change the fact that they have achieved this through financial doping, they have accepted their guilt and paid the fines (twice now), they did their deal with the devil (which is fine) but the consequence of it is the asterix beside any if their achievements.

Their reality is the media, the public in general and the football fraternity, will never give them the credit they deserve, but that's the trade off they have for the way they have gained their success, they are a showpony for an arab state & they are treated that way, their wins will be forgotten by history, we dont see Premier league years when they win leagues and their biggest moment "Aguerooooo" is remembered as much for costing United is a league as it is City's win.

Where for me this gets interesting is the players, they also dont get recognition outside the club, that again some of them deserve, David silva should be talked about like Scholes, Lampard etc, he is not. De Bruyne doesnt get the credit her deserves, again this is the trade off for representing an Arab state.

I mentioned in another thread recently the "emthyhad" jibes as the epitome of the challange that city have, the owners are desperate to portray an institution like Barca or United, but the reality is they have resorted to falsifying their gate numbers (Source - GMP reports) to give themselves some credibility, it's a desperate move from an ownership, who offer "influencers" free admission in exchange for instagram posts.

Ultimately, your man is right, there is apathy towards them, the media aren't bothered, because they cant get ratings when they are on, the papers wont do an 8 page pull out because it wont sell and history will forget their achievements or at a minimum belittle them, but that is the price of dancing with the devil the have. I wouldnt want to see us go the same route, even if it it meant 5 titles in 10 years.

It's nice, but I honestly wouldn't give a flying monkey's about the press if we were winning cups and titles. In 20 years, the press will be city heavy, because they grew up supporting a successful side- just how it goes. If we became like city, we'd probably get more press as the older generation (40-60+) still have admiration for the Everton of old.

 

[Yarrgh]

If we were winning stuff I genuinely wouldn’t care what the media said. I’d write my own articles and flood the internet with how boss we are.

The very simple reason that City don’t get as much press coverage is because there are less people that will click/buy those articles/papers/magazines. I live down south about an hour away from London and genuinely 80% of the kids in my school in the 90s who were into football supported RS or Man U. The other 19% supported Arsenal or Chelsea and me and 2 mates supported Everton, West Ham and Spurs. We were the only ones different! The media knows this is how it is and knows that whatever the situation on the table or in the cups they will sell more/get more clicks from writing about Man U or the RS.

These days I’m sure there are loads of glory hunting kid City fans. If they keep up a Man Utd-like level of dominance for 10-20 years and these kids become adults who buy stuff I’m sure more stuff will be written about City too.

Exactly. Only a sustained period of success and attraction of a generation of glory hunting plastics from the world over and the willingness to pander to them will change the ingrained bias against a club.

Right now Arsenal look like being pushed out the big boy club for me. 15 years without a trophy and no obvious return.

Anyway the more Important question is how to manage this for Everton's benefit if or when we are pushing for titles.

 

[paulbefc]

Just for interest, found this list:

Premier League cumulative spend // 2010-2020​

Manchester City // £1,421,400,000

Chelsea // £1,380,559,000

Manchester United // £1,090,930,000

Liverpool // £909,900,000

Arsenal // £789,065,000

Everton // £707,240,000

Tottenham Hotspur // £626,150,000

Leicester City // £472,250,000

Aston Villa // £469,150,000

West Ham United // £452,250,000

Southampton // £415,550,000

Newcastle United // £408,180,000

Wolverhampton Wanderers // £337,345,000

Crystal Palace // £231,895,000

Brighton & Hove Albion // £228,815,000

West Bromwich Albion // £215,070,000

Fulham // £204,080,000

Leeds United // £159,285,000

Burnley // £151,000,000

Sheffield United // £132,150,000

Source: Manchester Evening News October 2020

I'd be really interested to see a 00-15 version and how our position in the league has changed.

I expect Spurs and and Newcastle would have been above us and we'd have been absolutely nowhere near the likes of Arsenal.

It's an indicator (albeit an imperfect one) of how much Moshiri has changed here and that if we continue to do this, success is almost inevitable at some point. We're spending enough money and will only spend more if we are regularly in European competition, as we've only qualified for the Europa a handful of times over that decade and didn't exactly go very far in it.

 

[degsy]

This is well worth a read as City fan Ste Tudor lets rip at the media, BT and Sky.

Why the media will always seek to diminish Manchester City

Why the media will always seek to diminish a successful Manchester City despite their brilliance in the Premier League.

thefootballfaithful.com

He's preaching to the choir on here mate.
We've been getting constant diet of it for years...its all about - in no particular order...
London, which is why Spurs get a pass, they soon get turned on though
United
The rs

 

[MrGrumpy]

Well its not like we didn't know already but it proves that if you want to be successful then you have to spend money.
Look at that 'spending' table it almost resembles the league table for 95% of the time and all the trophies over that period have been shared out between the teams who have spent the most. The same teams fighting for Europe and same teams fighting relegation.

Unfortunately that's modern day football. It sucks but it is what it is.

The amount teams spend on wages is also very similar as the league table

 

[MrGrumpy]

The current love in with leeds still amazes me.
Good football,I hear.
Leicester and Villa play decent football and dont get the love.

Play gun Ho attacking football but there not a very good team. I don’t get it either, in a normal season they be in a relegation scrap but I would be surprised is any other the bottom teams get anywhere near 33 points let alone 40

 

[number4.]

Absolute total bollocks.

just my opinion PPT - but to confirm

- they have paid fines and accepted they were in breach of FFP
- GMP have published figures confirming they over egg attendance
- City have recruited influencers to go to games for free
- their players don’t get the credit or awards their form deserves
- they don’t get the recognition for their achievements in the same way say Man United, or even Liverpool have, which is ridiculous

 

[barneygumble]

I mean compare this 20 wins on the run, to Liverpool last season.

Both are absolutely unbelievable achievements. Liverpool we’re magnificent in their title run and got credit where deserved.

But City haven’t had a tap, and for me the sole reason is that city aren’t a “big” club, they’re hugely successful in the last 10-12 years, but they’re not a “big” side in that they have less of a following.

Ultimately for any paper, TV station, they’re going to cater to demand and give much more coverage to the subscribers of the sides with significant fanbase.

It’s not a dig to City to suggest Liverpool and United probably outnumber City 4:1 each in terms of fanbase in this country (globally even higher) and they’re going to focus on what every business does, catering to demand and what will give them more money.

Do I hate it? More than anything, but that is unfortunately the world we live in.