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Marcel Brands

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Neiler said:
That’s a very fair post mate. I wouldn’t completely ignore the heavy lifting done in the squad which I think is visible this season in term or rationalisation. It at least look like we’re getting to ground zero.

Two points though id be critical of though, one is the ability to shift lads, it’s fine to say we’re getting there, but relatively 0 income coming into the club, to assist players. He’s essentially let contracts just run down and lads walking away. I know the response will be no one will buy, but even Walsh could shift deadwood here and at least get some thing.

Secondly we are moving into a cycle that we should be reaping reward for his investments, Bernard, Jamo, Kean - we invested and we did poor deals out for, I honestly don’t believe there weren’t better markets or deals to be done for those 3. When you look on what he signed, its hard to see us turn a profit on Gbamin or Iwobi. To be fair we probably would on Digne, Richarlison, Gray and Godfrey. But these are lads you want to build around.
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Who has he shifted?

As for what you talk of better deals, it is only whatsome club will pay for them therein is the problem, unwanted players but the other point here is which you overlook is that they are off the payroll.
 
Neiler said:
That’s a very fair post mate. I wouldn’t completely ignore the heavy lifting done in the squad which I think is visible this season in term or rationalisation. It at least look like we’re getting to ground zero.

Two points though id be critical of though, one is the ability to shift lads, it’s fine to say we’re getting there, but relatively 0 income coming into the club, to assist players. He’s essentially let contracts just run down and lads walking away. I know the response will be no one will buy, but even Walsh could shift deadwood here and at least get some thing.

Secondly we are moving into a cycle that we should be reaping reward for his investments, Bernard, Jamo, Kean - we invested and we did poor deals out for, I honestly don’t believe there weren’t better markets or deals to be done for those 3. When you look on what he signed, its hard to see us turn a profit on Gbamin or Iwobi. To be fair we probably would on Digne, Richarlison, Gray and Godfrey. But these are lads you want to build around.
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You ignore that he spent like two years injured and even now is neither fit or proven, understandably no not much hope, if not for the injury may well have fiited in nicely, but you ignore that.
 
Toffeelover said:
The cricism of Brands is way OTT, yes mistakes have been made judging from hindsight but many good things have been achieved. If Brands was not there no doubt the critics would find some one else to moan at.

Should give it a rest oh but the nosayers can't because it be boring not to have a moan.
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Toffeelover said:
Who has he shifted?

As for what you talk of better deals, it is only whatsome club will pay for them therein is the problem, unwanted players but the other point here is which you overlook is that they are off the payroll.
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I don’t understand the question you asked - what do you mean?

I don’t accept that premise mate, Walsh took the likes of Sunderland to the cleaners when here. Mordor found a market of 10s of millions for Sloanke, Brewster and Shaquiri, while Brands couldn’t find one for meaningful money for three better players in my opinion in Jamo, Bernard and Kean - thafee of his investments, that’s poor.

Getting people of the wage bill is an insult as opposed to compliment as far as I concerned, if you sign properly you shouldnt have to get lads of the wage bill a season or two after signing them and giving them big contracts. The aim should be for them to appreciate and we are turning down bids, not giving them away.
 
Toffeelover said:
You ignore that he spent like two years injured and even now is neither fit or proven, understandably no not much hope, if not for the injury may well have fiited in nicely, but you ignore that.
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Again this doesn’t make sense, I have no beef with compassion for the lad with injury, that said people had very little compassion for Bolaise in my opinion. But it gets you no where in business, his value has depreciated, while he’s an overhead for the club. That’s a cold hard fact so his signing in simple business terms for the investment t is a poor one, luck or no.

Id pull on the string a little more, his signing was made on the basis that the DOF decided to sell Gueye, good deal on paper, but let’s scrutinise it. We sold him for 29 mill. Spent 35 mill on Delph and Gbamin as replace,Tim’s, put 150-200k a week in the wage bill, went through 19/20 season with a weetabix midfield, undermined our season.Then we are required to go out the following summer and sep d another 40 mill on Allan and the Duke, taking on another 150 - 200k on the wage bill, that’s all on Brands and poor recruitment and planning, fast forward this summer and we didnt have a pot to you know what in and he’s giving away players like Jamo he signed the year before, Kean two years before, or Bernard three - it’s awful and under,inning the welfare of the club - this summer is exhibit A.
 

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