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Marcel Brands

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davek said:
The reason this season has had no spending is down to his poor house management.
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…it seems certain now that at Everton the most empowered person where transfers are concerned is the Manager (and Moshiri to a lesser degree). Only this summer, Brands is on record as saying he doesn’t bring in players without Benitez approving them, yet Benitez can bring his own acquisitions in.

I think your historic guessing game regarding who initiated deals is probably an accurate assessment of the daft process we use.

i wouldn’t defend Brands but he’s clearly not in a DoF role that operates at other clubs. It would be good to know the scope of his role, he must have some authority on the Board.

I think blaming him for transfer ills could mask the real accountability. I honestly don’t know the answer, I have no idea what Brands does., I wouldn’t disagree he must in some way be culpable for FFP woes.
 

Neiler said:
Again this doesn’t make sense, I have no beef with compassion for the lad with injury, that said people had very little compassion for Bolaise in my opinion. But it gets you no where in business, his value has depreciated, while he’s an overhead for the club. That’s a cold hard fact so his signing in simple business terms for the investment t is a poor one, luck or no.

Id pull on the string a little more, his signing was made on the basis that the DOF decided to sell Gueye, good deal on paper, but let’s scrutinise it. We sold him for 29 mill. Spent 35 mill on Delph and Gbamin as replace,Tim’s, put 150-200k a week in the wage bill, went through 19/20 season with a weetabix midfield, undermined our season.Then we are required to go out the following summer and sep d another 40 mill on Allan and the Duke, taking on another 150 - 200k on the wage bill, that’s all on Brands and poor recruitment and planning, fast forward this summer and we didnt have a pot to you know what in and he’s giving away players like Jamo he signed the year before, Kean two years before, or Bernard three - it’s awful and under,inning the welfare of the club - this summer is exhibit A.
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It is all very well with hindsight criticise but they were taken on in good faith that they would do a job, cannot possibly have foreseen health problems, or performnaces not being produced like in the case of James. Have said it before take account of who were the managers at the time of the signings mnetioned and was walsh involved in any of them?
 
Neiler said:
I don’t understand the question you asked - what do you mean?

I don’t accept that premise mate, Walsh took the likes of Sunderland to the cleaners when here. Mordor found a market of 10s of millions for Sloanke, Brewster and Shaquiri, while Brands couldn’t find one for meaningful money for three better players in my opinion in Jamo, Bernard and Kean - thafee of his investments, that’s poor.

Getting people of the wage bill is an insult as opposed to compliment as far as I concerned, if you sign properly you shouldnt have to get lads of the wage bill a season or two after signing them and giving them big contracts. The aim should be for them to appreciate and we are turning down bids, not giving them away.
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I asked who has he shifted out of the club, merely to put a bit of balance to his performance as DoF.
 
Toffeelover said:
It is all very well with hindsight criticise but they were taken on in good faith that they would do a job, cannot possibly have foreseen health problems, or performnaces not being produced like in the case of James. Have said it before take account of who were the managers at the time of the signings mnetioned and was walsh involved in any of them?
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He doesn’t have the benefit of foresight or hindsight at the time he signs a player but he’s paid a lot of money to exercise judgment/decisions and to get it right. That’s why he’s in the position he is, that’s the key skill for the role he’s employed in.

If, with the benefit of hindsight, signings or strategy don’t work out then it’s valid to question and criticise his judgement and decision making. Otherwise there would never be a valid criticism of his transfer dealings, it would always be caveated with “oh well, he doesn’t have the benefit of hindsight”.

The mess he made selling and replacing Gana, a pivotal part of the team, with Delph and Gbamin is a good example. We have to sell, fine, his job is to replace and make sure the team is not weaker. The pair of them cost not far off the Gana transfer and cost more in wages, significantly weakened the first team and saddled us with two players who’ve done nothing. Objective failure that has set the team back.
 
Toffeelover said:
It is all very well with hindsight criticise but they were taken on in good faith that they would do a job, cannot possibly have foreseen health problems, or performnaces not being produced like in the case of James. Have said it before take account of who were the managers at the time of the signings mnetioned and was walsh involved in any of them?
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Its simply not good enough to use terms like good faith when analysing the performance of a club administrator of mutli million pound business, Delph was absolutely telegraphed as an injury risk. The man is paid millions its not a lad down the pub, hes not our mate hes accountable. Your also wrong on Jamos preferences he was one of our most productive players per min from an offensive pint of view. But we shouldn't have to give players like Jamo, Kean and Bernard away when we invested in them, 1, 2, 3, years ago. Thats all Brands.

Has his performance benefited or hindered Everton progress and welfare? I think there is sufficient emerging evidence in year 4 particularly and particularly in terms of budget management that he has hasnt empowered the club. Financially we are back were we started and arguably worse off as at least we had players we could sell to make some income, i have zero trust in our recruitment team to get it right, it was somewhat of a relief that they didnt have much to spend this summer, thats indictive of something wrong.
 
Toffeelover said:
I asked who has he shifted out of the club, merely to put a bit of balance to his performance as DoF.
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We all know who he sold, frankly i think he is remedial here too. Selling Vlasic, Lookaman, Gueye, Jamo, Kean are all decisions i consider poor and we are worse off without these players. He has struggled to replace any of them.

Elsewise he just lets contracts run down.

Hes massively poor on player trading and decisions on deals on outs.
 

Neiler said:
We all know who he sold, frankly i think he is remedial here too. Selling Vlasic, Lookaman, Gueye, Jamo, Kean are all decisions i consider poor and we are worse off without these players. He has struggled to replace any of them.

Elsewise he just lets contracts run down.

Hes massively poor on player trading and decisions on deals on outs.
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We must be one of the only clubs that sell and then look for replacements, rather than get someone in first.
 

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