2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[Lanolin]

He needs to stop coming out with the feeble excuses of tiredness, nerves, How aboout poor player selection, tactics?

I f you look on the Old Everton Pictures thread the bit I put in about Burnley and Everton played back to back on consecutive days, back then not pansies like we have now.

In fairness he's hardly likely to come out and say he keeps getting the tactics wrong is he? Firstly because he probably doesn't think he has, hence him doing it in the first place, and secondly because he would just be inviting closer scrutiny and effectively saying he was failing at his job. Whether he is or not, he's not very likely to say it.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Martinez did to be fair.

In all honesty I don't think were playing much differently to last year.

There is a little more intensity to win the ball back high up the pitch but it's not consistent, And we aren't hoofing it out of the first sight of danger to avoid leaking goals.

other than that we're just as pants as last year to watch so far

What’s most worrying is that under 4 different managers the players have just regressed to the same horrible turgid style of football. Martinez started with split centrebacks, retention of the ball, playmakers on the flanks, switching to 352 if necessary, a commitment to playing on the deck out from the back. By the start of his second season we were a rigid 4231 panicking in possession, error strewn, going long all the time, terrible at set pieces.

Koeman - we started off strong at the back, tenacious in midfield and with a decent counterattacking style based around Lukaku. The midfield diamond of Schneiderlin at the base, Gueye and Davies snapping away and Barkley creating seemed to have us set for years. Barely a season later and we’re back to 4231, error strewn, hoofing it long, rubbish at set pieces.

Allardyce - initially brought some solidity, Rooney was deep, we were putting teams away at home quite comfortably such as West Ham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Leicester. Then we seemed to completely regress into the horrific mode described above of just shuffling around doing nothing on the pitch. Allardyce even tried switching formations and personnel and nothing could spark us out of it.

The exact same has happened to Silva. We were close to top of the prem for attacking stats at the start. We matched Chelsea and Liverpool on their own turf and had started to turn teams over at home. Now we’ve gone right back to crap Everton and it looks exactly the same as the versions under Martinez Koeman and Allardyce. Can’t defend, no passion, no semblance of how to attack, formation and personnel changes not making a difference, just complete lethargy everywhere you look.

There is something structurally wrong at Everton. Martinez got Belgium playing well thanks to bold selection choices and innovative formations. Koeman has turned the Netherlands around completely. He was also very good at Southampton with some of their fans thinking him better than Pochettino.

WTF is happening at Everton? We need a compete independent external review from top to bottom to flush out the rotten core at this club. I don’t know what it is, long term members of coaching staff, club culture, long term squad members, whatever it is someone at the club needs to find it and kill it. I could understand poor performance from different managers if it was different e.g we were free scoring under Martinez but let in too many because we played 442, whereas Allardyce didn’t score enough because he was too defensive for example, but instead all their problems are exactly the same. Some of these managers are diametrically opposes in terms of footballing philosophies yet they are churning out teams that look exactly the same. We’re in a bizzare position where a forward line of Richarlison Tosun Bernard is plying the exact same football as Lukaku Kone Naismith did, or Lennon DCL Rooney. It’s utterly ridiculous. If some of the previous managers hadn’t looked like they were going to take us down we could have just kept hold of them and probably ended up with exactly the same sort of team, an utterly crap one.

 

[Abraders]

What’s most worrying is that under 4 different managers the players have just regressed to the same horrible turgid style of football. Martinez started with split centrebacks, retention of the ball, playmakers on the flanks, switching to 352 if necessary, a commitment to playing on the deck out from the back. By the start of his second season we were a rigid 4231 panicking in possession, error strewn, going long all the time, terrible at set pieces.

Koeman - we started off strong at the back, tenacious in midfield and with a decent counterattacking style based around Lukaku. The midfield diamond of Schneiderlin at the base, Gueye and Davies snapping away and Barkley creating seemed to have us set for years. Barely a season later and we’re back to 4231, error strewn, hoofing it long, rubbish at set pieces.

Allardyce - initially brought some solidity, Rooney was deep, we were putting teams away at home quite comfortably such as West Ham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Leicester. Then we seemed to completely regress into the horrific mode described above of just shuffling around doing nothing on the pitch. Allardyce even tried switching formations and personnel and nothing could spark us out of it.

The exact same has happened to Silva. We were close to top of the prem for attacking stats at the start. We matched Chelsea and Liverpool on their own turf and had started to turn teams over at home. Now we’ve gone right back to crap Everton and it looks exactly the same as the versions under Martinez Koeman and Allardyce. Can’t defend, no passion, no semblance of how to attack, formation and personnel changes not making a difference, just complete lethargy everywhere you look.

There is something structurally wrong at Everton. Martinez got Belgium playing well thanks to bold selection choices and innovative formations. Koeman has turned the Netherlands around completely. He was also very good at Southampton with some of their fans thinking him better than Pochettino.

WTF is happening at Everton? We need a compete independent external review from top to bottom to flush out the rotten core at this club. I don’t know what it is, long term members of coaching staff, club culture, long term squad members, whatever it is someone at the club needs to find it and kill it. I could understand poor performance from different managers if it was different e.g we were free scoring under Martinez but let in too many because we played 442, whereas Allardyce didn’t score enough because he was too defensive for example, but instead all their problems are exactly the same. Some of these managers are diametrically opposes in terms of footballing philosophies yet they are churning out teams that look exactly the same. We’re in a bizzare position where a forward line of Richarlison Tosun Bernard is plying the exact same football as Lukaku Kone Naismith did, or Lennon DCL Rooney. It’s utterly ridiculous. If some of the previous managers hadn’t looked like they were going to take us down we could have just kept hold of them and probably ended up with exactly the same sort of team, an utterly crap one.

This is a particularly good assesment I feel. Nothing is really changing between managers or players, as for any burst of quality we have ended up right back in the rut which forced Everton's hand into changing it up in the first place.

I'd certainly be looking at the coaching staff etc. I believe there is no room for sentimentality and many should be culled. Whether it solves the problem or not I have no idea, but we're constantly changing the playing personel and the manager to no avail.

 

[EFC78]

Silva hasn't had time to build his own team yet. He has made some bad errors of judgement where he needs to improve but I still see significant issues in certain positions that he hasn't yet been able to address. I'd say the 3 positions in bold below are where he needs to address in order for us to close the gap on 5th and 6th. The other issue is that Zouma and Gomes will need to be signed permanently so we actually need 5 new signings just to cement 7th and attempt to get closer to/leap frog one or two of the weaker sides in that top 6.

Pickford

New RB -- Mina -- Zouma -- Digne

Gana

New RW -- Gomes -- Sigurdsson -- Richarlison

New Striker

 

[vinvinvin]

Noises from the training ground etc are that one of Silva's greatest strengths is his attention to detail, breaking down players positioning into exactly where they should be at certain moments in relation to the opposition etc. It is conceivable therefore that the Christmas period is one of the worst for his management style due to congested fixtures giving him less time than normal to prepare for games. It's not an excuse, I think we can all see it has been a bit crap, but now we have almost two weeks between Prem games there is plenty of time for preparation again, so lets see what sort of reaction we get against Bournemouth.*




*I am not even cosnidering the possibility that we will go out of the FA cup against Lincoln as it is too much for me to contemplate.

 

[vinvinvin]

This is a particularly good assesment I feel. Nothing is really changing between managers or players, as for any burst of quality we have ended up right back in the rut which forced Everton's hand into changing it up in the first place.

I'd certainly be looking at the coaching staff etc. I believe there is no room for sentimentality and many should be culled. Whether it solves the problem or not I have no idea, but we're constantly changing the playing personel and the manager to no avail.

Big Dunc.

I am joking, but isn't he the only constant?

 

[hktoffee]

Other teams have improved. We have stood still.. We will still finish 7-9 th this season. But we are not closing the gap. And barring the odd year we haven't looked likely

So is the Everton squad and something like £300m were spent since Moshiri took over. If we can’t get 7th it will be a failure.

 

[Papa Shango]

Martinez was sacked because the squad and fanbase had pretty much all lost faith.

Koeman was sacked because see above. Maybe it was premature?

Allardyce didn't get sacked because he finished 8th. He got sacked because he wasn't the man to take this club forward and would put us back another few years had he stayed in charge.

So no, it's not that they didn't get Europe.

Every manager gets sacked due to the fanbase losing faith. Problem is people lose faith very easily these days.

 

[kenada_blue]

He's here until end of next season at least.

Suck it up.

 

[Abraders]

Big Dunc.

I am joking, but isn't he the only constant?

I believe so. Get rid.

 

[bignev23]

He's here until end of next season at least.

Suck it up.

Don't necessarily agree, I think if we get any worse he'll be gone before that. If we stay the same or improve then I would tend to agree.

 

[kenada_blue]

Don't necessarily agree, I think if we get any worse he'll be gone before that. If we stay the same or improve then I would tend to agree.

Every team bar the RS are massively inconsistent. We'll have an upturn in form before the end of the season and still finish 8th or 7th.

Anything in that top 10 will be fine.

 

[Lanolin]

What’s most worrying is that under 4 different managers the players have just regressed to the same horrible turgid style of football. Martinez started with split centrebacks, retention of the ball, playmakers on the flanks, switching to 352 if necessary, a commitment to playing on the deck out from the back. By the start of his second season we were a rigid 4231 panicking in possession, error strewn, going long all the time, terrible at set pieces.

Koeman - we started off strong at the back, tenacious in midfield and with a decent counterattacking style based around Lukaku. The midfield diamond of Schneiderlin at the base, Gueye and Davies snapping away and Barkley creating seemed to have us set for years. Barely a season later and we’re back to 4231, error strewn, hoofing it long, rubbish at set pieces.

Allardyce - initially brought some solidity, Rooney was deep, we were putting teams away at home quite comfortably such as West Ham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Leicester. Then we seemed to completely regress into the horrific mode described above of just shuffling around doing nothing on the pitch. Allardyce even tried switching formations and personnel and nothing could spark us out of it.

The exact same has happened to Silva. We were close to top of the prem for attacking stats at the start. We matched Chelsea and Liverpool on their own turf and had started to turn teams over at home. Now we’ve gone right back to crap Everton and it looks exactly the same as the versions under Martinez Koeman and Allardyce. Can’t defend, no passion, no semblance of how to attack, formation and personnel changes not making a difference, just complete lethargy everywhere you look.

There is something structurally wrong at Everton. Martinez got Belgium playing well thanks to bold selection choices and innovative formations. Koeman has turned the Netherlands around completely. He was also very good at Southampton with some of their fans thinking him better than Pochettino.

WTF is happening at Everton? We need a compete independent external review from top to bottom to flush out the rotten core at this club. I don’t know what it is, long term members of coaching staff, club culture, long term squad members, whatever it is someone at the club needs to find it and kill it. I could understand poor performance from different managers if it was different e.g we were free scoring under Martinez but let in too many because we played 442, whereas Allardyce didn’t score enough because he was too defensive for example, but instead all their problems are exactly the same. Some of these managers are diametrically opposes in terms of footballing philosophies yet they are churning out teams that look exactly the same. We’re in a bizzare position where a forward line of Richarlison Tosun Bernard is plying the exact same football as Lukaku Kone Naismith did, or Lennon DCL Rooney. It’s utterly ridiculous. If some of the previous managers hadn’t looked like they were going to take us down we could have just kept hold of them and probably ended up with exactly the same sort of team, an utterly crap one.

Personally I think there are very obvious differences between the style of play we're seeing now and that of Koeman and Allardyce, it's just that when players aren't playing well it's very easy to lump it all together and say it's exactly the same. It's the same in as much as we're not great at keeping the ball, there's a lack of creativity etc, but the way we're trying to play is different (the defensive line is higher, the full backs are pushed up into attacking positions, we've got a lot more pace in attack etc etc). I was just saying in another thread though, when things aren't going well players tend to revert to type. If they're lacking confidence and getting desperate they start doing what they're comfortable with, not what they're being told to do. Defenders start to go long because they're scared to play it out and make an error, wide players swing in percentage balls instead of trying to beat their man etc. This happens at all clubs across the land, Arsenal are seeing the exact same thing at the moment.

We don't have all the same problems as we did 1/2/3 years ago, we just still have the biggest one, that we're not good enough to win as many games as we'd like to.

 

[Khalekan]

He's here until end of next season at least.

Suck it up.

Not at this current rate.

October/November time next year....if things are lobbing along as they are now then he will be binned.

And depending on what Brands makes of Marco and if he had any say in the hiring of him, the end of this season is not out of the question.

On the other hand maybe he will turn this horrendous run around and the rest of us will see what Moshiri saw in him that led him to chase after Silva to the point of obsession.

And to this end a long run in the Cup is a must IMO.

It will be awful if yet another season is over before January is out

 

[HKIV]

What’s most worrying is that under 4 different managers the players have just regressed to the same horrible turgid style of football. Martinez started with split centrebacks, retention of the ball, playmakers on the flanks, switching to 352 if necessary, a commitment to playing on the deck out from the back. By the start of his second season we were a rigid 4231 panicking in possession, error strewn, going long all the time, terrible at set pieces.

Koeman - we started off strong at the back, tenacious in midfield and with a decent counterattacking style based around Lukaku. The midfield diamond of Schneiderlin at the base, Gueye and Davies snapping away and Barkley creating seemed to have us set for years. Barely a season later and we’re back to 4231, error strewn, hoofing it long, rubbish at set pieces.

Allardyce - initially brought some solidity, Rooney was deep, we were putting teams away at home quite comfortably such as West Ham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Leicester. Then we seemed to completely regress into the horrific mode described above of just shuffling around doing nothing on the pitch. Allardyce even tried switching formations and personnel and nothing could spark us out of it.

The exact same has happened to Silva. We were close to top of the prem for attacking stats at the start. We matched Chelsea and Liverpool on their own turf and had started to turn teams over at home. Now we’ve gone right back to crap Everton and it looks exactly the same as the versions under Martinez Koeman and Allardyce. Can’t defend, no passion, no semblance of how to attack, formation and personnel changes not making a difference, just complete lethargy everywhere you look.

There is something structurally wrong at Everton. Martinez got Belgium playing well thanks to bold selection choices and innovative formations. Koeman has turned the Netherlands around completely. He was also very good at Southampton with some of their fans thinking him better than Pochettino.

WTF is happening at Everton? We need a compete independent external review from top to bottom to flush out the rotten core at this club. I don’t know what it is, long term members of coaching staff, club culture, long term squad members, whatever it is someone at the club needs to find it and kill it. I could understand poor performance from different managers if it was different e.g we were free scoring under Martinez but let in too many because we played 442, whereas Allardyce didn’t score enough because he was too defensive for example, but instead all their problems are exactly the same. Some of these managers are diametrically opposes in terms of footballing philosophies yet they are churning out teams that look exactly the same. We’re in a bizzare position where a forward line of Richarlison Tosun Bernard is plying the exact same football as Lukaku Kone Naismith did, or Lennon DCL Rooney. It’s utterly ridiculous. If some of the previous managers hadn’t looked like they were going to take us down we could have just kept hold of them and probably ended up with exactly the same sort of team, an utterly crap one.

Best post I have ever seen on this forum.