2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[blue61]

Watford and Brighton were dire.

I thought the performance against Huddersfield was scintillating.

 

[Seathestars]

Anyone who thinks bringing Tom Davies on will change a game is not good enough.
It was only when Leicester scored he changed the sub. The hunt for a new Manager has hopefully begun.

 

[Groucho]

Unless it’s to avoid imminent catastrophe he isn’t getting sacked.

In my opinion two quality CF’s this window will change our fortunes entirely. I’d look no further than that.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Lose in the cup and Bournemouth and he should be fired.

He should be fired if he loses the Lincoln game. Absolutely no excuse not beating a L2 team at home.

 

[Saint Domingo]

You're clearly new and missed @davek in the London Olympics Opening Ceremony thread.

(It is a good post though @Saint Domingo )

Still think that horse one by @caught tops the pile. There was also an incredible typing cat gif from @ianefc in the height of the plotters v cult war.

 

[ijjysmith]

What's mental is that we are talking about losing to Lincoln on Saturday.

We shouldn't even be considering it.

But we are. Well I know I am.

 

[Frang]

What’s most worrying is that under 4 different managers the players have just regressed to the same horrible turgid style of football. Martinez started with split centrebacks, retention of the ball, playmakers on the flanks, switching to 352 if necessary, a commitment to playing on the deck out from the back. By the start of his second season we were a rigid 4231 panicking in possession, error strewn, going long all the time, terrible at set pieces.

Koeman - we started off strong at the back, tenacious in midfield and with a decent counterattacking style based around Lukaku. The midfield diamond of Schneiderlin at the base, Gueye and Davies snapping away and Barkley creating seemed to have us set for years. Barely a season later and we’re back to 4231, error strewn, hoofing it long, rubbish at set pieces.

Allardyce - initially brought some solidity, Rooney was deep, we were putting teams away at home quite comfortably such as West Ham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Leicester. Then we seemed to completely regress into the horrific mode described above of just shuffling around doing nothing on the pitch. Allardyce even tried switching formations and personnel and nothing could spark us out of it.

The exact same has happened to Silva. We were close to top of the prem for attacking stats at the start. We matched Chelsea and Liverpool on their own turf and had started to turn teams over at home. Now we’ve gone right back to crap Everton and it looks exactly the same as the versions under Martinez Koeman and Allardyce. Can’t defend, no passion, no semblance of how to attack, formation and personnel changes not making a difference, just complete lethargy everywhere you look.

There is something structurally wrong at Everton. Martinez got Belgium playing well thanks to bold selection choices and innovative formations. Koeman has turned the Netherlands around completely. He was also very good at Southampton with some of their fans thinking him better than Pochettino.

WTF is happening at Everton? We need a compete independent external review from top to bottom to flush out the rotten core at this club. I don’t know what it is, long term members of coaching staff, club culture, long term squad members, whatever it is someone at the club needs to find it and kill it. I could understand poor performance from different managers if it was different e.g we were free scoring under Martinez but let in too many because we played 442, whereas Allardyce didn’t score enough because he was too defensive for example, but instead all their problems are exactly the same. Some of these managers are diametrically opposes in terms of footballing philosophies yet they are churning out teams that look exactly the same. We’re in a bizzare position where a forward line of Richarlison Tosun Bernard is plying the exact same football as Lukaku Kone Naismith did, or Lennon DCL Rooney. It’s utterly ridiculous. If some of the previous managers hadn’t looked like they were going to take us down we could have just kept hold of them and probably ended up with exactly the same sort of team, an utterly crap one.

It's called easy street.. manager, coaches, players, even board members and chairman..

Everton is just as easy as it gets.

Moshiri hasn't done anything to change this whole lifestyle in and around the club.

Makes you wonder why bill picked him. Same old same old

 

[dublinbluenose]

Some players haven't recovered from the derby, there is no question about that. We've a decent run of games for the next few weeks. It'll be up to Silva now to give certain players a shake or a cuddle depending on the player.

 

[everton1953]

It will be interesting next April/May to see how many players are given the boot by Silva. Probably more than we will bring in. I reckon a max of 3 in , and 5 or 6 out. The 3 coming in will exclude maybe one we take back from loan. It will take further year before all the deadwood has been cut away.

 

[Frang]

Any manager can have a couple of bad games and team performances , when it goes on for several weeks, with the team actually looking worse then there are some serious deficiencies that the manager can't sort out.

 

[davids]

Unless it’s to avoid imminent catastrophe he isn’t getting sacked.

In my opinion two quality CF’s this window will change our fortunes entirely. I’d look no further than that.

In quite a few seasons a team that looks comfortable coming to the end of the calendar years goes into free fall.We need some points on the board and quickly.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Unless it’s to avoid imminent catastrophe he isn’t getting sacked.

In my opinion two quality CF’s this window will change our fortunes entirely. I’d look no further than that.

I thought the same when we picked up Tosun and Walcott, 50 mill on two forwards scoring regularly for CL teams. Look at the pair of them now. Barry playing well enough for a team in mid table. We’ve added Richarlison and Bernard to that too and it’s barely made a difference. Sigurdsson Richarlison Tosun Walcott is 120 million pounds worth of talent yet they are playing no better now than the likes of DCL Niasse Lennon etc. were. That’s why I don’t think it’s just as simple as Moshiri lavishing another 50 mill on our forward line. He’s essentially done that two or three times already. We either buy the wrong players or the right ones regress to poor form. If any other mid table team had Richarlison Bernard and Siggurdson we’d have been looking on in envy last season. Instead now we’re making arguments for how Vardy, Wilson, Arnautovic or someone else is actually the level required. I’m sure if they plued for us though they magically wouldn’t be the level required though.

 

[davids]

What's mental is that we are talking about losing to Lincoln on Saturday.

We shouldn't even be considering it.

But we are. Well I know I am.

Top of their division,I'd imagine their pre match team talk will be short and to the point

 

[Moomin]

 

[davek]

What’s most worrying is that under 4 different managers the players have just regressed to the same horrible turgid style of football. Martinez started with split centrebacks, retention of the ball, playmakers on the flanks, switching to 352 if necessary, a commitment to playing on the deck out from the back. By the start of his second season we were a rigid 4231 panicking in possession, error strewn, going long all the time, terrible at set pieces.

Koeman - we started off strong at the back, tenacious in midfield and with a decent counterattacking style based around Lukaku. The midfield diamond of Schneiderlin at the base, Gueye and Davies snapping away and Barkley creating seemed to have us set for years. Barely a season later and we’re back to 4231, error strewn, hoofing it long, rubbish at set pieces.

Allardyce - initially brought some solidity, Rooney was deep, we were putting teams away at home quite comfortably such as West Ham, Huddersfield, Brighton, Leicester. Then we seemed to completely regress into the horrific mode described above of just shuffling around doing nothing on the pitch. Allardyce even tried switching formations and personnel and nothing could spark us out of it.

The exact same has happened to Silva. We were close to top of the prem for attacking stats at the start. We matched Chelsea and Liverpool on their own turf and had started to turn teams over at home. Now we’ve gone right back to crap Everton and it looks exactly the same as the versions under Martinez Koeman and Allardyce. Can’t defend, no passion, no semblance of how to attack, formation and personnel changes not making a difference, just complete lethargy everywhere you look.

There is something structurally wrong at Everton. Martinez got Belgium playing well thanks to bold selection choices and innovative formations. Koeman has turned the Netherlands around completely. He was also very good at Southampton with some of their fans thinking him better than Pochettino.

WTF is happening at Everton? We need a compete independent external review from top to bottom to flush out the rotten core at this club. I don’t know what it is, long term members of coaching staff, club culture, long term squad members, whatever it is someone at the club needs to find it and kill it. I could understand poor performance from different managers if it was different e.g we were free scoring under Martinez but let in too many because we played 442, whereas Allardyce didn’t score enough because he was too defensive for example, but instead all their problems are exactly the same. Some of these managers are diametrically opposes in terms of footballing philosophies yet they are churning out teams that look exactly the same. We’re in a bizzare position where a forward line of Richarlison Tosun Bernard is plying the exact same football as Lukaku Kone Naismith did, or Lennon DCL Rooney. It’s utterly ridiculous. If some of the previous managers hadn’t looked like they were going to take us down we could have just kept hold of them and probably ended up with exactly the same sort of team, an utterly crap one.

I fear you're right.

I think the culture at the club will always trump the managerial changes...always outlast them and drag them down. That's not to excuse the utter devastation wrought by Koeman, but there defo is a miasma that seeps into the pores of Everton players and it affects all newcomers who arrive.

As I see it, it's adown to 2 things: One, a realisation amongst players that the club is, in reality, headed nowhere and happy to head nowhere, because the stadium fantasy is seen as the best way to get the club up to the next level rather than the football on the pitch, and 2, it's down to the number of ex-players we have who are coaches and the hangers on who are in thrall to them (they'll number in the scores): they will have their own ideas about who and what is suitable and who and what isn't in order to run this club...and they'll have contact with players at all levels of the club poisining them with their clueless ideas and petty mindedness - these are people that look after themselves not Everton.

As a minimum, if I was Brands I'd get shut of every ex-player on the coaching staff, and I'd make sure that the likes of Baines and Jagielka were immediately paid off.

This malaise for a generation isn't supernatural - it's down to people. We know who the people are who aren't helping. Just get them down the road. The stadium issue will still be there sucking the life out of our onfield ambition, but at least the personnel issue will be dealt with.