2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[nsno-chris]

There is a growing trend on this forum that our super fans believe Everton should only recruit manager's who have already won cups. Poor Marco. He's now deemed never ever to be good enough for the giants of Everton! Marco has been demonised for this shortfall in his CV.

I find this concept troubling.

How many cups and with what leagues are the minimum requirements for selection?

How many of these decorated managers are available and waiting for the call to join our project?

Why isn't Ranieri in the hot seat? He did the impossible but where is he now? Madrid, Barcelona err...

Is Pochettino or Sarri (no idea about spelling sorry) not good enough for Everton either cos they ain't won a damn thing?

Just because a manager hasn't won anything YET doesn't mean he ain't good enough. Cos you see they all gotta start somewhere.

Imagine if you will the countless managers throughout the years of the cut throat premiership that if they were given more time would've eventually won something. Careers ruined because the super chairman/super fan demands silverware or top 6 whatever!

Just say that there was a new set of rules imposed on our league. Firstly a club cannot sack their manager for at least 5 seasons. Secondly all clubs had the same amount they could spend on transfers. I bet you the managers we lauded as great would be very different and surprise you.

Players get managers sacked far too easily now with their player power. One bad egg and soon enough they down tools. They are spoiled and molly coddled. It's a modern problem that untold personal wealth creates.

Let's give Marco time. Stop needing to be in the champions league or competing with giant clubs 10 times our size. Those type of players won't come to us yet okay. We would have to nurture them here. Our time will come maybe but not today. Give Marco 5 seasons just to see what he can do. Your world doesn't need to fall apart cos we drew away at Newcastle or whatever. The bloke needs time cos he wants to play football the right way. That's not a quick fix. You have to build it.

Cmon Marco just turn this bad run around and let's all start believing again.

Name names

DOOOOOO IT

 

[blueblueday]

That's really just a really terrible idea. "Let's say managers get 5 seasons". We'd be relegated with Martinez. Great call. We were in the lower third with Koeman, great call there.

But regardless of if he can't turn this around, you say stick with him. "He needs time, look at Kendall and Ferguson!" completely ignoring the hundreds of managers who never did turn it around.

You may be right. Just don't like the way we keep sacking managers all the time. Probability would suggest they can't all be that bad. So much money wasted. Billionaires need their instant satisfaction.

You created your own fact by saying we would've been relegated with Martinez. You don't know that. Lots of examples in every walk of life of leaders turning things around. Koeman was indeed in the lower third. Doesn't mean we would've been relegated though. Are you suggesting when we are in the bottom half the manager should be let go?

I'm just asking you to hypothetically open your mind. Just say Martinez was kept on. Just say the players that down tooled and stopped believing in him in that third season were sold on because of their disloyalty. Player power squashed for once.

Just say Moshiri came in and backed him big, gave him another chance. Yes maybe we would've finished near relegation just like Moyes did for one season. He could've turned it around. It's possible but we will never know. It's all hearsay.

Koeman and Martinez finished 7th and 5th in one of their seasons. Surely this means they had something about them. Allardyce finished 8th and turned around a worse situation than the other two managers. Yes it was poor football and not suited to the school of science but he was good at it.

We are all part of a culture that demands constant improvement but life ain't like that. Every organisation goes down wrong turns. Its a learning experience. Just cos you lose a few games doesn't mean the manager should go. It's so boring to keep sacking your manager every season losing many millions in the process. You get a bad name in the end. So much is invested in the players I guess its easier to sack the manager in order to protect the value of your failing players.

Imagine if Moyes was sacked after that poor season early in his reign. With our lack of money it would've been more likely that another manager may have got us relegated. We didn't sack him and he did well with nothing. Well done Moyesie. Now let Marco do the same but with better football.

 

[maccavennie]

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Bombs away, prepare for incoming anytime soon

I know I should be looking at those bombs and wondering where they are landing/what area will be destroyed etc and then I know I should be thinking that thought is off topic so think of something Everton but I can't help think "what a lovely sky that is, the type I enjoy on a crisp Sunday morning when I'm marching about"

 

[hallamblue]

You may be right. Just don't like the way we keep sacking managers all the time. Probability would suggest they can't all be that bad. So much money wasted. Billionaires need their instant satisfaction.

You created your own fact by saying we would've been relegated with Martinez. You don't know that. Lots of examples in every walk of life of leaders turning things around. Koeman was indeed in the lower third. Doesn't mean we would've been relegated though. Are you suggesting when we are in the bottom half the manager should be let go?

I'm just asking you to hypothetically open your mind. Just say Martinez was kept on. Just say the players that down tooled and stopped believing in him in that third season were sold on because of their disloyalty. Player power squashed for once.

Just say Moshiri came in and backed him big, gave him another chance. Yes maybe we would've finished near relegation just like Moyes did for one season. He could've turned it around. It's possible but we will never know. It's all hearsay.

Koeman and Martinez finished 7th and 5th in one of their seasons. Surely this means they had something about them. Allardyce finished 8th and turned around a worse situation than the other two managers. Yes it was poor football and not suited to the school of science but he was good at it.

We are all part of a culture that demands constant improvement but life ain't like that. Every organisation goes down wrong turns. Its a learning experience. Just cos you lose a few games doesn't mean the manager should go. It's so boring to keep sacking your manager every season losing many millions in the process. You get a bad name in the end. So much is invested in the players I guess its easier to sack the manager in order to protect the value of your failing players.

Imagine if Moyes was sacked after that poor season early in his reign. With our lack of money it would've been more likely that another manager may have got us relegated. We didn't sack him and he did well with nothing. Well done Moyesie. Now let Marco do the same but with better football.

I don't think many people want him sacked, they're just not convinced he's the right man for the job. He may or may not be, time will tell.

 

[4737carlin]

Silva with another stupid statement
Once the players play with confidence they will play better - wow check out Sherlock Holmes
Stop stating the obvious and actually get the players to play better and train them better
Talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk

Don't win on Sunday and he will need to come out with another dig at Sam to deflect from how poor we have been.

 

[Death]

There is a growing trend on this forum that our super fans believe Everton should only recruit manager's who have already won cups. Poor Marco. He's now deemed never ever to be good enough for the giants of Everton! Marco has been demonised for this shortfall in his CV.

I find this concept troubling.

How many cups and with what leagues are the minimum requirements for selection?

How many of these decorated managers are available and waiting for the call to join our project?

Why isn't Ranieri in the hot seat? He did the impossible but where is he now? Madrid, Barcelona err...

Is Pochettino or Sarri (no idea about spelling sorry) not good enough for Everton either cos they ain't won a damn thing?

Just because a manager hasn't won anything YET doesn't mean he ain't good enough. Cos you see they all gotta start somewhere.

Imagine if you will the countless managers throughout the years of the cut throat premiership that if they were given more time would've eventually won something. Careers ruined because the super chairman/super fan demands silverware or top 6 whatever!

Just say that there was a new set of rules imposed on our league. Firstly a club cannot sack their manager for at least 5 seasons. Secondly all clubs had the same amount they could spend on transfers. I bet you the managers we lauded as great would be very different and surprise you.

Players get managers sacked far too easily now with their player power. One bad egg and soon enough they down tools. They are spoiled and molly coddled. It's a modern problem that untold personal wealth creates.

Let's give Marco time. Stop needing to be in the champions league or competing with giant clubs 10 times our size. Those type of players won't come to us yet okay. We would have to nurture them here. Our time will come maybe but not today. Give Marco 5 seasons just to see what he can do. Your world doesn't need to fall apart cos we drew away at Newcastle or whatever. The bloke needs time cos he wants to play football the right way. That's not a quick fix. You have to build it.

Cmon Marco just turn this bad run around and let's all start believing again.

Please be our manager.

 

[Charles Plastusz]

Silva with another stupid statement

Once the players play with confidence they will play better - wow check out Sherlock Holmes

Stop stating the obvious and actually get the players to play better and train them better

Talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk

He'd need to be a player manager to even attempt walking the walk

 

[riddick]

You may be right. Just don't like the way we keep sacking managers all the time. Probability would suggest they can't all be that bad. So much money wasted. Billionaires need their instant satisfaction.

You created your own fact by saying we would've been relegated with Martinez. You don't know that. Lots of examples in every walk of life of leaders turning things around. Koeman was indeed in the lower third. Doesn't mean we would've been relegated though. Are you suggesting when we are in the bottom half the manager should be let go?

I'm just asking you to hypothetically open your mind. Just say Martinez was kept on. Just say the players that down tooled and stopped believing in him in that third season were sold on because of their disloyalty. Player power squashed for once.

Just say Moshiri came in and backed him big, gave him another chance. Yes maybe we would've finished near relegation just like Moyes did for one season. He could've turned it around. It's possible but we will never know. It's all hearsay.

Koeman and Martinez finished 7th and 5th in one of their seasons. Surely this means they had something about them. Allardyce finished 8th and turned around a worse situation than the other two managers. Yes it was poor football and not suited to the school of science but he was good at it.

We are all part of a culture that demands constant improvement but life ain't like that. Every organisation goes down wrong turns. Its a learning experience. Just cos you lose a few games doesn't mean the manager should go. It's so boring to keep sacking your manager every season losing many millions in the process. You get a bad name in the end. So much is invested in the players I guess its easier to sack the manager in order to protect the value of your failing players.

Imagine if Moyes was sacked after that poor season early in his reign. With our lack of money it would've been more likely that another manager may have got us relegated. We didn't sack him and he did well with nothing. Well done Moyesie. Now let Marco do the same but with better football.

You play your "what if" game and I'll do mine. Player power is too real to say "Let's say he did he got rid of them all". He made his bed with just awful transfers and a complete and absolute dereliction of the defensive side. Tag in MOST LIKELY losing Lukaku that window, yeah we be in the Championship by your own criteria because we STILL can't sack him.

You can use "what ifs" all you want, the writing was on the wall for Martinez. He had a very poor transfer policy and a terrible defensive record coupled with an inability to score after his first season.

I'm using metrics, you are using a dreamland that doesn't and didn't exist.

*edit* and the "best" part? We hired another manager who leaks goals for fun.

 

[Khalekan]

He'd need to be a player manager to even attempt walking the walk

“player manager.....there’s a term you rsrely hear these days.

Howard abd Dalglish were both player managers here and at the RS respectively.

Outside if Giggs’s brued caretaker soell sfter Moyes was sacked, I can’t remember the last player manager in the to
flight.

Maybe Vialli at Chelsea?

 

[Khalekan]

we've had winnable games coming up all season and he's failed to win most of them!

“winnable games” are interchangeable with “loseable games” with us.

 

[blueblueday]

You play your "what if" game and I'll do mine. Player power is too real to say "Let's say he did he got rid of them all". He made his bed with just awful transfers and a complete and absolute dereliction of the defensive side. Tag in MOST LIKELY losing Lukaku that window, yeah we be in the Championship by your own criteria because we STILL can't sack him.

You can use "what ifs" all you want, the writing was on the wall for Martinez. He had a very poor transfer policy and a terrible defensive record coupled with an inability to score after his first season.

I'm using metrics, you are using a dreamland that doesn't and didn't exist.

*edit* and the "best" part? We hired another manager who leaks goals for fun.

I don't understand your first paragraph sorry so can't comment on that sorry.

What metrics have you shown me?
Martinez was working with peanuts money compared to today. Everything went into purchasing Lukaku which was a major coup for the club. Moyes could never attract a striker like him. Delofeau was initially a success as was Mccarthy. I mean I know the market was cheaper then but we he was padding out our side with average players and prospects cos its all we could afford really. Maybe he could've recruited better and improved them like Moyes used to.

He had the foresight to bring through Barkley and Stones and embedded them in the side. Unfortunately our fan base abused them a lot. Why is our youth now underperforming?

I accept however that yes he had lost the dressing room and his side was extremely frail defensively. It was a sad demise. A few players allegedly led a revolt. Would we have gone down. Don't know. Nobody can say. Since his sacking though it's become an uncomfortable trend to fire managerial professionals with alarming frequency.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

You may be right. Just don't like the way we keep sacking managers all the time. Probability would suggest they can't all be that bad. So much money wasted. Billionaires need their instant satisfaction.

You created your own fact by saying we would've been relegated with Martinez. You don't know that. Lots of examples in every walk of life of leaders turning things around. Koeman was indeed in the lower third. Doesn't mean we would've been relegated though. Are you suggesting when we are in the bottom half the manager should be let go?

I'm just asking you to hypothetically open your mind. Just say Martinez was kept on. Just say the players that down tooled and stopped believing in him in that third season were sold on because of their disloyalty. Player power squashed for once.

Just say Moshiri came in and backed him big, gave him another chance. Yes maybe we would've finished near relegation just like Moyes did for one season. He could've turned it around. It's possible but we will never know. It's all hearsay.

Koeman and Martinez finished 7th and 5th in one of their seasons. Surely this means they had something about them. Allardyce finished 8th and turned around a worse situation than the other two managers. Yes it was poor football and not suited to the school of science but he was good at it.

We are all part of a culture that demands constant improvement but life ain't like that. Every organisation goes down wrong turns. Its a learning experience. Just cos you lose a few games doesn't mean the manager should go. It's so boring to keep sacking your manager every season losing many millions in the process. You get a bad name in the end. So much is invested in the players I guess its easier to sack the manager in order to protect the value of your failing players.

Imagine if Moyes was sacked after that poor season early in his reign. With our lack of money it would've been more likely that another manager may have got us relegated. We didn't sack him and he did well with nothing. Well done Moyesie. Now let Marco do the same but with better football.

But Moyes did not have a pattern of jumping from club to club after a single season, and had worked his way up through the lower leagues with Preston.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I don't understand your first paragraph sorry so can't comment on that sorry.

What metrics have you shown me?
Martinez was working with peanuts money compared to today. Everything went into purchasing Lukaku which was a major coup for the club. Moyes could never attract a striker like him. Delofeau was initially a success as was Mccarthy. I mean I know the market was cheaper then but we he was padding out our side with average players and prospects cos its all we could afford really. Maybe he could've recruited better and improved them like Moyes used to.

He had the foresight to bring through Barkley and Stones and embedded them in the side. Unfortunately our fan base abused them a lot. Why is our youth now underperforming?

I accept however that yes he had lost the dressing room and his side was extremely frail defensively. It was a sad demise. A few players allegedly led a revolt. Would we have gone down. Don't know. Nobody can say. Since his sacking though it's become an uncomfortable trend to fire managerial professionals with alarming frequency.

What tripe - Moyes got Saha, which was similar to getting Lukaku. We only got Lukaku as Chelsea were loaning him out for experience and was then dubbed surplus to requirements. He couldn’t give a stuff about us and only saw us as a stepping stone - a convenient port of call.

And who signed John Stones again?

 

[hktoffee]

There is a growing trend on this forum that our super fans believe Everton should only recruit manager's who have already won cups. Poor Marco. He's now deemed never ever to be good enough for the giants of Everton! Marco has been demonised for this shortfall in his CV.

I find this concept troubling.

How many cups and with what leagues are the minimum requirements for selection?

How many of these decorated managers are available and waiting for the call to join our project?

Why isn't Ranieri in the hot seat? He did the impossible but where is he now? Madrid, Barcelona err...

Is Pochettino or Sarri (no idea about spelling sorry) not good enough for Everton either cos they ain't won a damn thing?

Just because a manager hasn't won anything YET doesn't mean he ain't good enough. Cos you see they all gotta start somewhere.

Imagine if you will the countless managers throughout the years of the cut throat premiership that if they were given more time would've eventually won something. Careers ruined because the super chairman/super fan demands silverware or top 6 whatever!

Just say that there was a new set of rules imposed on our league. Firstly a club cannot sack their manager for at least 5 seasons. Secondly all clubs had the same amount they could spend on transfers. I bet you the managers we lauded as great would be very different and surprise you.

Players get managers sacked far too easily now with their player power. One bad egg and soon enough they down tools. They are spoiled and molly coddled. It's a modern problem that untold personal wealth creates.

Let's give Marco time. Stop needing to be in the champions league or competing with giant clubs 10 times our size. Those type of players won't come to us yet okay. We would have to nurture them here. Our time will come maybe but not today. Give Marco 5 seasons just to see what he can do. Your world doesn't need to fall apart cos we drew away at Newcastle or whatever. The bloke needs time cos he wants to play football the right way. That's not a quick fix. You have to build it.

Cmon Marco just turn this bad run around and let's all start believing again.

Totally inaccurate acquisition again. People are not satisfied is because they think the squad has more than enough to finish 7th and will be winning home matches against some crap sides.

 

[hktoffee]

You may be right. Just don't like the way we keep sacking managers all the time. Probability would suggest they can't all be that bad. So much money wasted. Billionaires need their instant satisfaction.

You created your own fact by saying we would've been relegated with Martinez. You don't know that. Lots of examples in every walk of life of leaders turning things around. Koeman was indeed in the lower third. Doesn't mean we would've been relegated though. Are you suggesting when we are in the bottom half the manager should be let go?

I'm just asking you to hypothetically open your mind. Just say Martinez was kept on. Just say the players that down tooled and stopped believing in him in that third season were sold on because of their disloyalty. Player power squashed for once.

Just say Moshiri came in and backed him big, gave him another chance. Yes maybe we would've finished near relegation just like Moyes did for one season. He could've turned it around. It's possible but we will never know. It's all hearsay.

Koeman and Martinez finished 7th and 5th in one of their seasons. Surely this means they had something about them. Allardyce finished 8th and turned around a worse situation than the other two managers. Yes it was poor football and not suited to the school of science but he was good at it.

We are all part of a culture that demands constant improvement but life ain't like that. Every organisation goes down wrong turns. Its a learning experience. Just cos you lose a few games doesn't mean the manager should go. It's so boring to keep sacking your manager every season losing many millions in the process. You get a bad name in the end. So much is invested in the players I guess its easier to sack the manager in order to protect the value of your failing players.

Imagine if Moyes was sacked after that poor season early in his reign. With our lack of money it would've been more likely that another manager may have got us relegated. We didn't sack him and he did well with nothing. Well done Moyesie. Now let Marco do the same but with better football.

It was a free-fall, players stopped playing for him and he had a winning rate like 29.33% in the league during his 2nd and 3rd season. It was a clear downwords trend. Put your hands close to your heart, do you believe Martínez would turn that around had he stayed? He once said it was difficult to get 36 points in the league, sake.

I have huge respect for Moyes because of his time at Everton. But it is not appropriate to use his second season to compare with the current situation because at that time, we had no money.