Marco Silva

[MickA]

The main issue I have with the type of football both him and Martinez like to play is the personnel.

Bobbys failure was trying to convert bang average players into Barca, the open expansive football left gaping holes all over the team and the frailties were never addressed. Plus once teams learned how we played they just sat back in banks and the football was on par with what we’ve seen this year.

Silva likes to have 2 holding midfielders who then burst pass the no 10 and find the holes by the forward, massively leaving them open to the counter. Now a good high line and fast centre backs could counter the counter by pressing immediately, but our defence turns slower than the titanic, both jags and Keane were turned with relative ease on Sunday, with one leading to a goal and the other a guilty edge chance missed.

It’s a major concern when I try to imagine his setup with our squad.

One of the critical failures for Martinez was neglecting the fitness side of things. Posession football is my preferred style but if you don't move the ball quickly, offer options as players and recover from losing the ball with pace you have issues.

In fact I'm certain Martinez would still be here if the side was fitter as that aids the side defensively too.

Anyway, point is Silva seems to recognise what todays game is all about wrt pace and turnarounds. I think you're right it'd take time but I have no doubts at all we'll be heading in the right direction again.

 

[DanB90]

I badly want Silva here.

He was on my 3 man short list prior to the weekend but he's number 1 now.

I hope we can get him.

The fact I seen his team give up a 2 goal lead to us after us not being able to buy a goal for the most part, had alarm bells ringing for me.

 

[Stanley Parker]

The fact I seen his team give up a 2 goal lead to us after us not being able to buy a goal for the most part, had alarm bells ringing for me.

I wouldn't judge Silva or Unsworth on Sunday's result.

We're not likely to see another game like that.

 

[Lanolin]

He lost 50% of his games at Hull and just shy of 50% at Watford while conceding an average of 2 goals a games at each club

Massive gamble

That's a very fair point, but let's put into it context.

Over his last 2 jobs Allardyce (who lots of people seem to see as a 'safe pair of hands') has managed in 49 PL games and lost 23 of them, conceding 75 goals. Dyche's last 2 season's in the PL have seen him lose 39 of 76 games, conceding 106. Both very comparable records don't you think? So is there a reason why Silva would be more of a gamble, other than the fact he's not English?

 

[Billy Dean]

That's a very fair point, but let's put into it context.

Over his last 2 jobs Allardyce (who lots of people seem to see as a 'safe pair of hands') has managed in 49 PL games and lost 23 of them, conceding 75 goals. Dyche's last 2 season's in the PL have seen him lose 39 of 76 games, conceding 106. Both very comparable records don't you think? So is there a reason why Silva would be more of a gamble, other than the fact he's not English?

Personally I think that makes him less of a gamble.

 

[nsno-chris]

That's a very fair point, but let's put into it context.

Over his last 2 jobs Allardyce (who lots of people seem to see as a 'safe pair of hands') has managed in 49 PL games and lost 23 of them, conceding 75 goals. Dyche's last 2 season's in the PL have seen him lose 39 of 76 games, conceding 106. Both very comparable records don't you think? So is there a reason why Silva would be more of a gamble, other than the fact he's not English?

No, all 3 are bang [Poor language removed] and I wouldn’t any of them near our club

 

[Lanolin]

The main issue I have with the type of football both him and Martinez like to play is the personnel.

Bobbys failure was trying to convert bang average players into Barca, the open expansive football left gaping holes all over the team and the frailties were never addressed. Plus once teams learned how we played they just sat back in banks and the football was on par with what we’ve seen this year.

Silva likes to have 2 holding midfielders who then burst pass the no 10 and find the holes by the forward, massively leaving them open to the counter. Now a good high line and fast centre backs could counter the counter by pressing immediately, but our defence turns slower than the titanic, both jags and Keane were turned with relative ease on Sunday, with one leading to a goal and the other a guilty edge chance missed.

It’s a major concern when I try to imagine his setup with our squad.

One of the critical failures for Martinez was neglecting the fitness side of things. Posession football is my preferred style but if you don't move the ball quickly, offer options as players and recover from losing the ball with pace you have issues.

In fact I'm certain Martinez would still be here if the side was fitter as that aids the side defensively too.

Anyway, point is Silva seems to recognise what todays game is all about wrt pace and turnarounds. I think you're right it'd take time but I have no doubts at all we'll be heading in the right direction again.

For me, Martinez had some fundamental flaws in his 'philosophy' which meant that it would never ever work how he wanted it to.

One was the fact he was happy to absolve his attacking players of any defensive responsibility whatsoever, meaning teams could build from the back against us without fear of being harried and hassled, and meaning teams often got deep into our territory before anyone even thought of engaging with them. The other was that he appeared to believe the central midfield area was relatively important, when in reality it was probably the most crucial position on the pitch for that style of play. To try to play incisive possession football with McCarthy, Barry, Gibson Besic etc was madness, and meant we could never get the transition from attack to defence right. We had attacking players and defensive players, with no balance.

From what I've seen of Silva he has a slightly more rounded and well thought out approach to the game, although I agree that the porous defences he's had are a definite worry.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Niasse admits Silva is destined for big things as a manager.

“He’s a good person, and when you are a good person life smiles at you,” Niasse said.

“For me, he can be a big manager. He’s already very good but I think he can manage one of the big clubs.

“He’s done it in Portugal, Greece and now he’s started to prove himself in England.

“It’s a pressurised environment but he’s made some good improvements to the team and he’s going to keep getting better. He has a great energy about him.”

Cos Niasse is a fountain of football knowledge!

 

[davek]

I think he's defo closer to Martinez than any other of the other mooted appointments. He likes the same 4231 system (though the central two m/fs are more adventurous than McCarthy/Barry were) and he looks to get overloads in the opposition half and play on the counter when possible. I do think he likes to move the ball about quicker though and isn't as obsessed with possession.

 

[Simon baker]

The main issue I have with the type of football both him and Martinez like to play is the personnel.

Bobbys failure was trying to convert bang average players into Barca, the open expansive football left gaping holes all over the team and the frailties were never addressed. Plus once teams learned how we played they just sat back in banks and the football was on par with what we’ve seen this year.

Silva likes to have 2 holding midfielders who then burst pass the no 10 and find the holes by the forward, massively leaving them open to the counter. Now a good high line and fast centre backs could counter the counter by pressing immediately, but our defence turns slower than the titanic, both jags and Keane were turned with relative ease on Sunday, with one leading to a goal and the other a guilty edge chance missed.

It’s a major concern when I try to imagine his setup with our squad.

Good fair points with analaysis most don't seem to know why they don't want him.

I suppose you would Hope during the interview we would ask how he sees us playing with the current squad, & then how he plans to change the team to Transition towards his final desired style of play.

Note if he says I'm bombing Williams, jags & baines in January I'd give him the job there & then.

Agree that if he comes in an plays a high line with no Midfield cover we will struggle. If he gets the job he needs to be pragmatic to begin with before changing to his preferred style of play.

If he can demonstrate this then perhaps we have a compromise between roberto & Ronald which seems to be what we need & most of the sensible posters desire.

 

[Simon baker]

Niasse admits Silva is destined for big things as a manager.

“He’s a good person, and when you are a good person life smiles at you,” Niasse said.

“For me, he can be a big manager. He’s already very good but I think he can manage one of the big clubs.

“He’s done it in Portugal, Greece and now he’s started to prove himself in England.

“It’s a pressurised environment but he’s made some good improvements to the team and he’s going to keep getting better. He has a great energy about him.”

A short while after he got the job at hull both neil sang & Ryan Lowe said on city talk that they knew people at hull who were massively impressed with him & how he goes about his business. This was before we really knew what he was about & Mersin et al were slating him.

 

[bluestevon]

Cos Niasse is a fountain of football knowledge!

No mate, but he's probably a bit more clued up about what managers got him improving than some lid on a forum

 

[bluestevon]

A short while after he got the job at hull both neil sang & Ryan Lowe said on city talk that they knew people at hull who were massively impressed with him & how he goes about his business. This was before we really knew what he was about & Mersin et al were slating him.

Heard something very similar myself around March about how professional he was and how he'd reinvigorated the club/players/staff etc, was only asking initially about how Niasse was regarded there etc, so filed it in the never need to bother knowing it bin

 

[GwladysBlue]

I think he's defo closer to Martinez than any other of the other mooted appointments. He likes the same 4231 system (though the central two m/fs are more adventurous than McCarthy/Barry were) and he looks to get overloads in the opposition half and play on the counter when possible. I do think he likes to move the ball about quicker though and isn't as obsessed with possession.

That’s me out of the Silva camp thenlol

 

[davek]

The main issue I have with the type of football both him and Martinez like to play is the personnel.
Bobbys failure was trying to convert bang average players into Barca, the open expansive football left gaping holes all over the team and the frailties were never addressed. Plus once teams learned how we played they just sat back in banks and the football was on par with what we’ve seen this year.
Silva likes to have 2 holding midfielders who then burst pass the no 10 and find the holes by the forward, massively leaving them open to the counter. Now a good high line and fast centre backs could counter the counter by pressing immediately, but our defence turns slower than the titanic, both jags and Keane were turned with relative ease on Sunday, with one leading to a goal and the other a guilty edge chance missed.

It’s a major concern when I try to imagine his setup with our squad.

Fair points chris, but I think he can adapt that back-line and coach it better until January.

Our CD is a mess. It cant be the usual perm of three week to week. Anyone arriving here and taking over needs to try and creatively solve that by finding a blend and find within the ranks a Mascherano type who pops out of the back four and shuts down opposition moves.