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Martinez: Everton players fear Goodison Crowd

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davek said:
Funnily enough, the Newcastle home game last season was a big game. This one not so much.

People are getting way ahead of themselves. There will be no change.
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I think it's big given the feeling around the club at the min

Can you imagine the atmosphere if we go down to those lot
 
davek said:
Because he's got 5th before.

Just needs fine tuning...and support.
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van Gaal has six league championships to his name in three different countries alongside numerous domestic and European cups.

Does his approach merely need fine tuning combined with support for him to find success? I doubt you'd find the Manure fans feel that way.

I'd be more inclined to now say that the initial 5th place was the blip rather than our current poor run of form over a season and a half.

Yes the atmosphere isn't great and that mustn't help, however fans pay money to see a combination of winning, entertainment and/or passion.

Right now they're not getting it and there seems to be very little evidence of the situation improving, hence the reason they're unsettled.

There's the old argument that fans should instil and support the team, although equally the team need to inspire the crowd. They're simply not!

We're failing to win many games away either so I don't think Martinez's argument holds as much weight as he may believe it may.
 
Darth Vader said:
But if he finishes this season in a similar position to last would it not suggest his first season was an anomalie
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More importantly we'd have to wait and see what the board thought. IMO they take the more sensible view that a squad is being rebuilt after a gradual move away from the Moyes years...and the feller currently in charge (just like the last feller in charge) wont lose them their tv cash.
 
davek said:
He did the same last season IIRC. I think he's very respectful of the crowd and what they can do to boost our chances. He's spot on, btw. The players are playing with fear at home. The crowd got to them last season and they're doing the same now. They have a ridiculous attitude. Compare that with the away support they get and the different outcome.
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Y'know what mate, I take real umbrage with that, as both a paying punter & a fan....

As I've said before Dave, your support of BOB is commendable at times, though now it seems to be bordering on obsessional TBH and a bit on the wind. Think of it, really, you're now more or less citing the input of the GP crowd as being more detrimental to poor performance than his management style. You'd actually sooner the fans were derided than the ability & acumen of this 'Pound-Shop GUARDIOLA' be questioned or face critique...

The atmosphere did indeed verge on unpleasant yesterday. And it was totally deserved.
 
Moomin said:
Rio Ferdinand is spot on when he says the crowd at Goodison is putting pressure on the younger players.
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I think the system we play puts undue pressure on them.

As an example, Stones is responsible for starting every attack from a goal-kick. He drops back to the corner flag. Teams know we do this, Stones is now targeted - players know he will dwell on the ball.

We invite pressure in dangerous areas.

Michael Ball makes some good points here;

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ws/michael-ball-everton-players-dont-10783743

but the way we play football – deep in our own half, playing risky football, making mistake after mistake – is not football to get fans off their seats.

It’s the away fans who are off their seats, because they can sense goalscoring opportunities, while we’re left biting our nails.

If we want the fans behind the team we have to get the action further up the pitch.

We need to press teams, to let them make mistakes.

Swansea arrived at Goodison on Sunday with a new manager and a new system, but we let them settle.

We eased straight back into our usual method of sitting back, passing the ball along our back line and in doing so allowed Swansea to settle into a pattern of play.

For me, on the outside looking in, we’re playing development football.

It’s the kind of football you encourage 16 to 18 year olds to play as part of their football development.

You allow them to make mistakes while they develop their overall game, but the unforgiving Premier League is not an environment to be playing development football.

We are contributing to our own downfall .

It’s a philosophy which is obviously not working.
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Smodger said:
This Same discussion was being discussed last season when people were saying give him more time how much time do you give him?
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There's no comparison with last season. This team are accomplished going forward now. He sorted that out in the last 12 months, he'll sort the defence out in the near future...starting with the easy decision to kick the GK to touch.
 
Darth Vader said:
Are you suggesting Mcarthy Del Kev Stones Barkley Lukaku and Stones will leave in the summer?
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If this season continues going as it is I can't imagine that Lukaku and Stones will still be here at the beginning of next season, and who would blame them? Champions League teams be all over them like a rash as soon as their respective agents give them, if they haven't already, the slightest sniff! As for the others we'll see but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that good performances in the Euros would see interest in one or two of them!
 
Excuses excuses, talking bollocks as per. There are some bells who act like children in a tantrum the rest are legitimately frustrated at poor results but to come out and say that is quite pathetic, if we don't go through on wed he has just put an awful lot of pressure on himself I feel.
 

davek said:
More importantly we'd have to wait and see what the board thought. IMO they take the more sensible view that a squad is being rebuilt after a gradual move away from the Moyes years...and the feller currently in charge (just like the last feller in charge) wont lose them their tv cash.
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If he gets another summer to make a few changes, Prob goal keeper and striker, and we find ourselves in this position again at this time would you say enoughs enough
 
PhilM said:
van Gaal has six league championships to his name in three different countries alongside numerous domestic and European cups.

Does his approach merely need fine tuning combined with support for him to find success? I doubt you'd find the Manure fans feel that way.

I'd be more inclined to now say that the initial 5th place was the blip rather than our current poor run of form over a season and a half.

Yes the atmosphere isn't great and that mustn't help, however fans pay money to see a combination of winning, entertainment and/or passion.

Right now they're not getting it and there seems to be very little evidence of the situation improving, hence the reason they're unsettled.

There's the old argument that fans should instil and support the team, although equally the team need to inspire the crowd. They're simply not!

We're failing to win many games away either so I don't think Martinez's argument holds as much weight as he may believe it may.
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Yes, it does. His record speaks for itself as you point out.

I dont think people realise the difficulty of stepping in at United after the team had been destroyed.
 
TheHumbleEgg said:
Y'know what mate, I take real umbrage with that, as both a paying punter & a fan....

As I've said before Dave, your support of BOB is commendable at times, though now it seems to be bordering on obsessional TBH and a bit on the wind. Think of it, really, you're now more or less citing the input of the GP crowd as being more detrimental to poor performance than his management style. You'd actually sooner the fans were derided than the ability & acumen of this 'Pound-Shop GUARDIOLA' be questioned or face critique...

The atmosphere did indeed verge on unpleasant yesterday. And it was totally deserved.
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Try 'consistent'.

I cant take seriously fickle people. Not one bit. They lack substance. No apologies for what I said. It's a ridiculous attitude to have...and self defeating.
 

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