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Martinez new Belgium head coach

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Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
The David Moyes team of 12/13 is probably the most consistently enjoyable Everton team I've watched on a week to week basis since Joe Royle's 95/96 side

Yes, there were some great matches in that 13/14 season, but consistently we played very well pretty much all season in 12/13. If Jelavic had just kept his form we probably would have done even better that season
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Losing key players like Jagielka, Yakubu and Arteta at a time when they were most needed was a blow that in my opinion started to derail Everton's momentum.

Imagine losing Gana, Romelu and Coleman/baines now ?
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
The David Moyes team of 12/13 is probably the most consistently enjoyable Everton team I've watched on a week to week basis since Joe Royle's 95/96 side

Yes, there were some great matches in that 13/14 season, but consistently we played very well pretty much all season in 12/13. If Jelavic had just kept his form we probably would have done even better that season
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I preferred Moyes' 06-09 side you know. The 12/13 season had a proper dismal period of a couple of months where we were losing against teams like Reading and Norwich, and of course it had the great FA Cup collapse against Wigan.
 
Paul Bernard said:
One of my biggest gripes is when people say Moyes was a loser or he didn't win anything with Everton therefore he lost.

The man took us from relegation and probable bankruptcy, to finding gems each and every season whilst getting us to a couple of semi finals and a final plus regular European football.
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Moyes has had money in his managerial career. he spent it on the likes of Bily, Kroldrup, Simon Davies and James Beattie. He had money at United and couldnt think of anything better than to attempt to buy two of our players who he already knew.

He certainly isnt (or wasnt, I think he is done now) a bad manager, far from it, he did a cracking job with us generally but his mindset meant that he would never win anything as he always erred on the side of caution. Classic overthinker maybe, I dont know.

It was annoying to me because as Mikey says above, we played some cracking football under Moyes so it always baffled me that whenever we would come into a big game we would crap ourselves and go back into our shells. We didnt have to do that as we had some very capable sides and I think that is an issue that is still at the club as well as what Martinez left behind.
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
The David Moyes team of 12/13 is probably the most consistently enjoyable Everton team I've watched on a week to week basis since Joe Royle's 95/96 side

Yes, there were some great matches in that 13/14 season, but consistently we played very well pretty much all season in 12/13. If Jelavic had just kept his form we probably would have done even better that season
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Mikey, (and I concede it's all in the eye of the beholder) we have only played consistently high quality Everton-class football one season out of the last 30 seasons - 2013/14.

An oasis in a desert full of camel dung.

JR's team of the mid 90s were enjoyable and certainly not the thugs they've been idiotically portrayed as. But they weren't a pedigree outfit - more successful that the 2013/14 team, but nowhere near as technically accomplished.
 

I haven't enjoyed going to the match any season from start to finish more than I did 12/13

We had good players, we won more often than we lost and we played some good football as well

Yes, we had some good moments in 13/14, but I enjoyed the experience of 12/13 far more. As the song says, we played it on the carpet AND we played it in the air, and we did both to a high standard

If we'd just kept Arteta and Jelavic had maintained his form who knows how much better things would have been?

The big downer was the Cup game to Wigan, but the Anfield Derby in 13/14 hurt far more
 
davek said:
Mikey, (and I concede it's all in the eye of the beholder) we have only played consistently high quality Everton-class football one season out of the last 30 seasons - 2013/14.

An oasis in a desert full of camel dung.

JR's team of the mid 90s were enjoyable and certainly not the thugs they've been idiotically portrayed as. But they weren't a pedigree outfit - more successful that the 2013/14 team, but nowhere near as technically accomplished.
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I never did quite get the 'dogs of war' tag.
Although if memory serves it was actually JR who coined the phrase, I may be wrong.
 
Seathestars said:
I never did quite get the 'dogs of war' tag.
Although if memory serves it was actually JR who coined the phrase, I may be wrong.
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It was, in a football sense. It was just a partial lift from Shakespeare regarding creating havoc for the enemy, but the hard of learning in the press (waves at the Echo) took it to mean we had only thugs and hard tacklers ('dogs') and that's what defined that team...a team with Limpar and Stuart and Hinchcliffe.
 
davek said:
Mikey, (and I concede it's all in the eye of the beholder) we have only played consistently high quality Everton-class football one season out of the last 30 seasons - 2013/14.

An oasis in a desert full of camel dung.

JR's team of the mid 90s were enjoyable and certainly not the thugs they've been idiotically portrayed as. But they weren't a pedigree outfit - more successful that the 2013/14 team, but nowhere near as technically accomplished.
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lollollollol
 

davek said:
Oh sorry, we didn't reopen the School of Science that season?


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fc-boss-roberto-martinez-7081416

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/blues-analysis-how-everton-fc-6987274

...suffice to say Koeman wont be opening up any school of sciences up.
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For all the talk of how good that season under Martinez was, which it was... It was ace, we only improved on the previous season by 1 league place - hardly a major success story. What it actually was was the perfect platform to continue to improve, but he couldn't.

I don't think he was a fraud, but he was out of his depth and should have swallowed his pride and changed his failing system. Ultimately I think it was his stubbornness which resulted in such toxicity (boss album that) towards him and cost him his job, he needed to shake up training/tactics but refused.

I will never forgive him for making me not want to watch Everton anymore and he ultimately achieved nothing, but both sides of this argument are overstated
 

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