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Martinez new Belgium head coach

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Ashtonian said:
Ok.

One question. Is martinez was such a good prospect of a manager and we were wrong to hound him out the club.

Why has he only had one good season in what, 7 years? He had enough time at wigan and took them backwards. He got given over 40 million to spend the summer after finishing 5th which was massive for us considering not long before that we gave the manager nothing. And he took that money, invested it, and done worse. In fact when he was building his team at both clubs the results got worse.

So why was that the case? Why couldn't martinez have a good season beyond his first year here?
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Mate, his CV highlights in football are, chronologically:

  • Reinvents Swansea FC by handing them a way of playing that sees them through eventually to the PL
  • Goes to a pub team in a town best known for Rugby League and ferret fighting and hands then the biggest domestic cup in world football
  • Comes to Everton and hands us our best league season in the past 30 years
  • Employed by a top international outfit and has the best start to a Belgium managerial career ever handing them their second biggest victory ever and is bang on course for the WC

....by contrast his CV lowlights in football are, chronologically:

  • Relegates Wigan
  • Sees us fall from a comfortable top 7 team on average to 11th...

...with due apologies to the pie munchers I think the highlights outweigh the lowlights quite a bit.
 
davek said:
Mate, his CV highlights in football are, chronologically:

  • Reinvents Swansea FC by handing them a way of playing that sees them through eventually to the PL
  • Goes to a pub team in a town best known for Rugby League and ferret fighting and hands then the biggest domestic cup in world football
  • Comes to Everton and hands us our best league season in the past 30 years
  • Employed by a top international outfit and has the best start to a Belgium managerial career ever handing them their second biggest victory ever and is bang on course for the WC

....by contrast his CV lowlights in football are, chronologically:

  • Relegates Wigan
  • Sees us fall from a comfortable top 7 team on average to 11th...

...with due apologies to the pie munchers I think the highlights outweigh the lowlights quite a bit.
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Ok.

Reinvents swansea- Yes he did, in league 1. He never took them up to the premier league and it took 2 further managers to achieve that. but yeah, made a boss league one team at the time.

Goes to a pub team. Yes mate, and relegates them, in fact has a few goes before he finally achieves it. In contrast Steve bruce, actually had better league performances than he achieved at wigan.

Gives everton their best season in 30 years? WRONG. 5th place (5th = 15th remember). Our best season for 30 years was 2004, where we got champions league qualification. Doesn't matter how many points it took to get it, we got it, martinez failed to do that. He could have got us 90 points but if it only got us 5th then it wasn't good enough.

Employed by top european outfit? Where were Belgium 8 years ago? More to the point here, they hired him because he was cheap, not because he was good. England are bang on course for the world cup, is southgate a good manager also?
 
Ashtonian said:
Ok.

Reinvents swansea- Yes he did, in league 1. He never took them up to the premier league and it took 2 further managers to achieve that. but yeah, made a boss league one team at the time.

Goes to a pub team. Yes mate, and relegates them, in fact has a few goes before he finally achieves it. In contrast Steve bruce, actually had better league performances than he achieved at wigan.

Gives everton their best season in 30 years? WRONG. 5th place (5th = 15th remember). Our best season for 30 years was 2004, where we got champions league qualification. Doesn't matter how many points it took to get it, we got it, martinez failed to do that. He could have got us 90 points but if it only got us 5th then it wasn't good enough.

Employed by top european outfit? Where were Belgium 8 years ago? More to the point here, they hired him because he was cheap, not because he was good. England are bang on course for the world cup, is southgate a good manager also?
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You have no idea that this is the case mate.
 
Ashtonian said:
Ok.

Reinvents swansea- Yes he did, in league 1. He never took them up to the premier league and it took 2 further managers to achieve that. but yeah, made a boss league one team at the time.

Goes to a pub team. Yes mate, and relegates them, in fact has a few goes before he finally achieves it. In contrast Steve bruce, actually had better league performances than he achieved at wigan.

Gives everton their best season in 30 years? WRONG. 5th place (5th = 15th remember). Our best season for 30 years was 2004, where we got champions league qualification. Doesn't matter how many points it took to get it, we got it, martinez failed to do that. He could have got us 90 points but if it only got us 5th then it wasn't good enough.

Employed by top european outfit? Where were Belgium 8 years ago? More to the point here, they hired him because he was cheap, not because he was good. England are bang on course for the world cup, is southgate a good manager also?
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Martinez took Swansea from league One to the Championship and left them in a good position to be promoted to the PL before getting off to Wigan. The managers who came after just kept the plate spinning.

His Wigan career was double edged sword, as already stated. But then again, if you're the fan of that club winning the FA Cup is like winning the world cup, and relegation was always going to happen to such an outfit...especially when Whelan was demanding more for less each season in terms of cash for the squad.

His first season here was our best season in 30 years: highest points total since we last won the league, more wins since we last won the league, and playing the type of football that would have graced those title winning teams. Oh yeah, ginger got 4th one season with an all time low 61 points and 'banging in' 45 goals for the whole season...then we got turfed out of the CL qualifier - falling at the first fence.

Belgium: I tell you what, no country like that are going to hand over the reins to agricultural managers like Moyes and Koeman, that's for sure. Although they'd be beaten to Koeman by Barcelona, of course. ROFL.
 

davek said:
Martinez took Swansea from league One to the Championship and left them in a good position to be promoted to the PL before getting off to Wigan. The managers who came after just kept the plate spinning.

His Wigan career was double edged sword, as already stated. But then again, if you're the fan of that club winning the FA Cup is like winning the world cup, and relegation was always going to happen to such an outfit...especially when Whelan was demanding more for less each season in terms of cash for the squad.

His first season here was our best season in 30 years: highest points total since we last won the league, more wins since we last won the league, and playing the type of football that would have graced those title winning teams. Oh yeah, ginger got 4th one season with an all time low 61 points and 'banging in' 45 goals for the whole season...then we got turfed out of the CL qualifier - falling at the first fence.

Belgium: I tell you what, no country like that are going to hand over the reins to agricultural managers like Moyes and Koeman, that's for sure. Although they'd be beaten to Koeman by Barcelona, of course. ROFL.
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Hes certainly hit the big time with his 750k a year from the Belgium FA.

A real dream job.
 

Actually its worse than we thought lads.

His basic contract at Belgium is worth around £750,000 a year with bonuses large enough to double his salary if he reaches the last four of the World Cup in Russia in 2018.


From this Martinez will pay Inaki Bergara, his goalkeeping coach at Swansea, Wigan and Everton.

Martinez wanted Bergara on his coaching staff but Belgium's budget did not allow.

Also, goalkeepers Courtois and Simon Mignolet wanted to continue working with Erwin Lemmens, the team's existing goalkeeping coach.

Bergara, however, is seen as integral to the backroom chemistry for Martinez, who struck a deal to get his fellow Spaniard involved and pay him personally.

Martinez has also brought coach Graeme Jones and fitness coach Richard Evans with him from Everton.

Then he added Thierry Henry, a move which dominated the build up to his opening game.


So he has to pay his staff out of his own wages.

lollollollollollollollollollollollollollollollol
 
Ashtonian said:
Ok.

Reinvents swansea- Yes he did, in league 1. He never took them up to the premier league and it took 2 further managers to achieve that. but yeah, made a boss league one team at the time.

Goes to a pub team. Yes mate, and relegates them, in fact has a few goes before he finally achieves it. In contrast Steve bruce, actually had better league performances than he achieved at wigan.

Gives everton their best season in 30 years? WRONG. 5th place (5th = 15th remember). Our best season for 30 years was 2004, where we got champions league qualification. Doesn't matter how many points it took to get it, we got it, martinez failed to do that. He could have got us 90 points but if it only got us 5th then it wasn't good enough.

Employed by top european outfit? Where were Belgium 8 years ago? More to the point here, they hired him because he was cheap, not because he was good. England are bang on course for the world cup, is southgate a good manager also?
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Roberto Martinez actually turned them into a pub team. They had a solid midtable team when he took over before he added the likes of Hendry Thomas, Antolin Alcaraz and Conor Sammon.
 
mikeh72 said:
Roberto Martinez actually turned them into a pub team. They had a solid midtable team when he took over before he added the likes of Hendry Thomas, Antolin Alcaraz and Conor Sammon.
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Oh come on Michael. They outstayed their welcome in the PL and you know it.
Staying up for as long as they did was an achievement.
Winning the FA Cup is the stuff of dreams for Wigan.
 
Ashtonian said:
Mate Graham jones is there as well. Who in the right mind hires a sacked premier league (and relegated before that) manager and his crappy sidekick if they aren't cheap?
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because offensively he's a great manager
because he will have the pick of the best, in form national players
He can concentrate on the players expressing themselves as they will all be well drilled defensively at their respective clubs (i,e, his weakness is being nullified).

there are great similarities I think between what he had in season 1 here and his Belgium job.
 

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