Martinez new Belgium head coach

[degsy]

What's your opinion on the fact he didn't include set pieces in training?

a very convenient fact there mate.

 

[davek]

What's your opinion on the fact he didn't include set pieces in training?

They minimized them, they didn't 'not do them'.

We concede less goals from headers this season, that's for sure:

We conceded 8 so far this season. We can expect another couple at least to be added to that 8 though with 10 games to go.
Last season we conceded 14
However, we only conceded 8 headers all season in 2014/15 and we conceded 10 during 2013/14.

So, overall I'd say there's been only (for now) been improvement on set pieces (and headers would be the majority of goals conceded via them) on last season, and there's been no massive coach-on-coach improvement with regards to set piece vulnerability.

At the other end of the pitch - set piece goals scored - we performed better under Martinez goals-wise:

This season so far we've scored 9 from set pieces - we'll possibly get another 3.
Last season we scored 12 from set pieces.
2014/15 we scored 15
2013/14 we scored 15

So, to summarise: more set piece training doesn't translate into better outcomes.

 

[davek]

I have puzzle for you, what is the significance of the following set of figures

4, 11, 6, 5, 5, 8, 7, 7, 6, 5, 11, 11

The 10th 5 does not look that out of the ordinary when you consider the previous figures. The two 11s does jar a bit.

Oh, it seems you just stopped short of the 17th disaster season put in by Moyes. Funny that.

How about average season places under each? If you do that it was a drop from 7th on average to 9th. In that respect Koeman has, for this season at least, got the average back where it was.

But it's nothing to write home about.

 

[davek]

Sound Rattled there D. I don't hero worship Koeman lol Koeman has just led us on a run of smashing teams 6-3 4-0, 3-0, ect, not only two games we've conceded this year so far. We had good football for one season whilst defending was still ingrained in the players. Towards the end of the season we were figured out- it was easy to defend and beat us. We were humiliated horrifically by the RS twice in a row. The poorest two seasons I've had to witness at Goodison since the 90's.
I have a LED screen btw, and Roberto Wilmots will lead out a team of talented individuals that don't know how to defend. They will fail massively against decent teams.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a well worn narrative you run around your head involving all kinds of reasons to dismiss the record PL number of wins and points in one season, but you cant escape reality.

Keep smashing the boat against the rocks.

 

[Caolam]

Oh, it seems you just stopped short of the 17th disaster season put in by Moyes. Funny that.

How about average season places under each? If you do that it was a drop from 7th on average to 9th. In that respect Koeman has, for this season at least, got the average back where it was.

But it's nothing to write home about.

So Bobby taking us from 6th to 5th proves his worth as a manager but Koeman taking us from 11th to 7th is nothing to write home about.

Where you and I do have some common ground is that 7th place isn't success of itself. It is however, improvement. Koeman has improved our lot over what Martinez had been doing. That doesn't make him great, it just makes him better for Everton than Martinez. To be great he has to continue the improvement to a point where we win a trophy or consolidate a Champions League position.

I bear no ill will towards Martinez, I hope Belgium do well for him but his test is making them better, they were good when he took over, someone else brought them to that point, he has to move them on.

Like Koeman time will tell.

 

[Titus Bramble]

They minimized them, they didn't 'not do them'.

We concede less goals from headers this season, that's for sure:

We conceded 8 so far this season. We can expect another couple at least to be added to that 8 though with 10 games to go.
Last season we conceded 14
However, we only conceded 8 headers all season in 2014/15 and we conceded 10 during 2013/14.

So, overall I'd say there's been only (for now) been improvement on set pieces (and headers would be the majority of goals conceded via them) on last season, and there's been no massive coach-on-coach improvement with regards to set piece vulnerability.

At the other end of the pitch - set piece goals scored - we performed better under Martinez goals-wise:

This season so far we've scored 9 from set pieces - we'll possibly get another 3.
Last season we scored 12 from set pieces.
2014/15 we scored 15
2013/14 we scored 15

So, to summarise: more set piece training doesn't translate into better outcomes.

where did you get these stats mate? I'm struggling on my iPad...

 

[DrEFC]

Yeah, I'm sure there's a well worn narrative you run around your head involving all kinds of reasons to dismiss the record PL number of wins and points in one season, but you cant escape reality.

Keep smashing the boat against the rocks.

There's not boat being smashed against a rock here fella. I live in Everton present, not an endless loop of Martinez's spawned first season of we will score 1 more than you and finished 5th. The comeback, the subs that just worked magnificently, the masterclass against arsenal- I was there to witness it, truly enjoyed it. They are history, never repeated by Martinez. Id trade that season regardless of style for Moyes' 4th or Royles FA cup. You would to.
He's not a genius, he's a lower prem manager, and someday when the anger of his punting subsides, you will see we are better for it. You have a fun day mon ami x

 

[davek]

where did you get these stats mate? I'm struggling on my iPad...

Squawka

 

[davek]

There's not boat being smashed against a rock here fella. I live in Everton present, not an endless loop of Martinez's spawned first season of we will score 1 more than you and finished 5th. The comeback, the subs that just worked magnificently, the masterclass against arsenal- I was there to witness it, truly enjoyed it. They are history, never repeated by Martinez. Id trade that season regardless of style for Moyes' 4th or Royles FA cup. You would to.
He's not a genius, he's a lower prem manager, and someday when the anger of his punting subsides, you will see we are better for it. You have a fun day mon ami x

He's a stop class attacking coach, which is why Belgium employed him, and why Everton ran up 21 wins and 72 points in a single season...and until such time as City/Chelsea money is pumped into this squad that will be the limit of our ability to win and get CL level points totals.

Was he the answer for us long term? No. Did he produce our best football and results for any sustained period since the 1980s? Yes.

Those two assertions are unarguably true.

 

[davek]

So Bobby taking us from 6th to 5th proves his worth as a manager but Koeman taking us from 11th to 7th is nothing to write home about.

Where you and I do have some common ground is that 7th place isn't success of itself. It is however, improvement. Koeman has improved our lot over what Martinez had been doing. That doesn't make him great, it just makes him better for Everton than Martinez. To be great he has to continue the improvement to a point where we win a trophy or consolidate a Champions League position.

I bear no ill will towards Martinez, I hope Belgium do well for him but his test is making them better, they were good when he took over, someone else brought them to that point, he has to move them on.

Like Koeman time will tell.

Jury is out on Koeman. You might say the jury is in on Martinez. No objections to that. But you look at the best level each produced as Everton manager and Koeman is not at the races. His team are grafters and he's lost his nerve on the big occasion. There's no way any of this stands favourable comparison with season one under Roberto.

Ball's in Koeman's court.

 

[a bell maul]

Martinez aged very badly during his tenure at Everton...so did I

 

[nsno-chris]

Cheltenham will calling soon you useless whopper

 

[DrEFC]

He's a stop class attacking coach, which is why Belgium employed him, and why Everton ran up 21 wins and 72 points in a single season...and until such time as City/Chelsea money is pumped into this squad that will be the limit of our ability to win and get CL level points totals.

Was he the answer for us long term? No. Did he produce our best football and results for any sustained period since the 1980s? Yes.

Those two assertions are unarguably true.

They are not unarguably true. I appreciate, nay love attacking football but I enjoy a defensive masterclass. A top team could do both. At least you admit he's just an attack coach. He has had ample opportunity to employ good staff , & he chose his friends, even with Belgium for which their FA said sod that- and he has to pay them out of his vastly reduced (though still fantastic) wages. If he had the gumption to employ a fine defensive & GK coach, he may of still been our manager, and we'd be fawning over him together.

 

[davek]

They are not unarguably true. I appreciate, nay love attacking football but I enjoy a defensive masterclass. A top team could do both. At least you admit he's just an attack coach. He has had ample opportunity to employ good staff , & he chose his friends, even with Belgium for which their FA said sod that- and he has to pay them out of his vastly reduced (though still fantastic) wages. If he had the gumption to employ a fine defensive & GK coach, he may of still been our manager, and we'd be fawning over him together.

Let this sink in:

we are now on 50 points. To match what Roberto did Koeman will have to pick up 22 of the last 27 points.

Maybe that will make any detractor stop and think for a second.

 

[DrEFC]

Let this sink in:

we are now on 50 points. To match what Roberto did Koeman will have to pick up 22 of the last 27 points.

Maybe that will make any detractor stop and think for a second.

Desperate Dave, desperate. Martinez left us a shambles despite you ignoring his last two years. One man manages the team you support, one doent. Let that sink in. Love your back peddling in the Koeman thread btw, fantastic work x