Brendan Rodgers has won 2 trophies alone this season, would you say that Rodgers is a much better manager again? would you say managers like Redknapp, Di Mattaeo, Laudrup, Mcleish, to name a few a much better managers than Koeman?
Martinez achieved 72 points using the majority of a David Moyes Squad, and Koeman has got europe back using the majority of a Martinez squad. Except Martinez with his squad also finished bottom half finishes two years in a row, He recorded lowest home wins last season and the players literally stopped playing for him because his tactics were so damaging.
Compared to Ronald Koeman, a statistic which is interesting. Martinez won a combined total of 26 games in TWO seasons. Koeman has won 16 games (so far) in his first season. that i think is pretty damning considering last season he only got 10 wins, koeman managed to eclipse that and almost double it if we won our remaining games, still come close.
so what justification can you have of supporting our former manager to that extent when the stats put him in the bottom two of our worst ever managers in our history. The fact was the man that made going to Goodison a terrible experience, that alone should warrant no support from any fan let alone to defend him. And yes he did win an FA cup, but not with us, so why does it matter? Reading your posts over time, Koemans cup and league wins in his career seem to be dismissed as not 'successful' so why on earth does martinez's one trophy count in your argument?
Roberto Martinez is a manager that has managed to con his way into two top jobs despite destroying both clubs he has left. We were a shambles this summer compared to the largely 11 years under Moyes, and Wigan was destroyed enough that they haven't been able to group together.
Either way any manager of any team who makes going the game a bad experience warrants no support because of success before he came here. That is a small time mentality to have as a fan, top clubs don't settle for it but you are happy with what Martinez achieved at the club?