2023/24 Mason Holgate

[Bedfordblue]

Maybe, some players need a bit of stability and to feel part of the team with the managers and coaching staff.
The fact he’s seen about 8 different management teams in his time here perhaps hasn’t helped his development.
Maybe having to start with a clean slate every 18 months having worked to show your worth becomes a touch demoralising.
Maybe even seeing the likes of Mina and Keane not only preferred but paid 50% more than him left him a bit disenfranchised too.

 

[Eggs]

Maybe, some players need a bit of stability and to feel part of the team with the managers and coaching staff.
The fact he’s seen about 8 different management teams in his time here perhaps hasn’t helped his development.
Maybe having to start with a clean slate every 18 months having worked to show your worth becomes a touch demoralising.
Maybe even seeing the likes of Mina and Keane not only preferred but paid 50% more than him left him a bit disenfranchised too.

….maybe he’s not very good, maybe he’s an ordinary footballer on an extraordinary contract.

 

[MikeH72]

Throwback to @Eggs panicking that he was going to keep Sheff Utd up at our expense.

 

[Eggs]

Throwback to @Eggs panicking that he was going to keep Sheff Utd up at our expense.

….absolutely, it was a risk situation lending him to a relegation rival. He could have scored a vital goal to keep them up or could’ve made a defensive error against another rival.

It worked out ok, but it was an unnecessary risk when he was already on loan at a Championship team. Brainless decision and symptomatic of how the club is being run.

 

[Raino85]

A lot of players plateau and very few just keep getting better and better - which is why players with this potential cost such big money ( think Branthwaite )

Stones just got better and better, where as Holgate stopped and ended up going backwards.

Its mad that in the world of football, especially in the globe of forums/social media etc. You are only really ever judged on your success dependent on if you kick a ball well for your employers.

I'd argue Mason Holgate has been more successful than 99% of the country. He worked hard to get were he is/was, somewhere along the way you can get fatigued/bored/lazy of the game and that big sack of money sat in your bank account means you don't really need to push yourself if you don't have too.

He gets to get up every morning, keep himself fit, go the gym and get paid a silly amount of money for doing this etc etc.

I don't wish him bad for that!

 

[Evertonthat]

This lad won't play another game for us, and will dropped like stone the second his contract expires next summer. If he wants to play football in the next 12 months, he needs to find a club to loan out to (likely a championship side).

 

[MikeH72]

….absolutely, it was a risk situation lending him to a relegation rival. He could have scored a vital goal to keep them up or could’ve made a defensive error against another rival.

It worked out ok, but it was an unnecessary risk when he was already on loan at a Championship team. Brainless decision and symptomatic of how the club is being run.

I think Sheffield United bringing him in was a brainless decision tbh.

 

[Littlesue]

I think Sheffield United bringing him in was a brainless decision tbh.

Especially as they paid a decent amount of his wages

 

[Zatara]

I don't think anyone just sits around with Sean Dyche.
If Holgate wanted game Time he had an Unusual way of trying to get it.

I think he may well be back at Everton next season, it is hard to see any club taking him on.

He wont get in ahead of Tarkowski or Branthwaite and so made the choice to go on loan twice.

Id say thats far more proactive than Keane.

 

[JimmyK]

Maybe, some players need a bit of stability and to feel part of the team with the managers and coaching staff.
The fact he’s seen about 8 different management teams in his time here perhaps hasn’t helped his development.
Maybe having to start with a clean slate every 18 months having worked to show your worth becomes a touch demoralising.
Maybe even seeing the likes of Mina and Keane not only preferred but paid 50% more than him left him a bit disenfranchised too.

Sometimes the right answer is the most obvious one. Holgate never really made himself a definite first choice in central defence at any point in his time here. He wasn't a regular in England youth sides and he's never got an international cap. He's just an OK player he always has been theres nothing strange about his career path at all he's just a Premier League squad utility player like hundreds of others are or have been the only weird thing is the way some people have got into their heads that he was ever anything more than that.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

He wont get in ahead of Tarkowski or Branthwaite and so made the choice to go on loan twice.

Id say thats far more proactive than Keane.

Dyche obviously told Keane he was wanted as was our 3rd choice cb

It’s kind of obvious ffs

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I think Sheffield United bringing him in was a brainless decision tbh.

I watched him in his first game for them and they got 5-0’d - he was woeful, walking back after making an error for their goal for instance

 

[Titus Bramble]

Sometimes the right answer is the most obvious one. Holgate never really made himself a definite first choice in central defence at any point in his time here. He wasn't a regular in England youth sides and he's never got an international cap. He's just an OK player he always has been theres nothing strange about his career path at all he's just a Premier League squad utility player like hundreds of others are or have been the only weird thing is the way some people have got into their heads that he was ever anything more than that.

The biggest difference between him and the other PL utility players is we gave him a bumper contract, hence why we can't shift him.

 

[Timbucktoo]

I watched him in his first game for them and they got 5-0’d - he was woeful, walking back after making an error for their goal for instance

The sending off v Brighton was another bad moment, but the way he looked so shocked at getting his marching orders, makes you wonder what sport he thought he was playing.

 

[Timbucktoo]

The biggest difference between him and the other PL utility players is we gave him a bumper contract, hence why we can't shift him.

Its just him and Keane left in that category. What a lot of bang average players have made millions out of us for producing sod all?