mightymoyes
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how many of those appearances are as sub?
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Mason Holgate
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how many of those appearances are as sub?
Raino85
Player Valuation: £35m
Agree with you completely pal
Raino85
Player Valuation: £35m
Excellent stat finding bud.
Players get thrust into the England side a lot earlier now due to lack of talent in the team (the 'golden generation' kept there places so long, decent replacements couldn't find a way in)
I remember mid 90s Robbie Fowler scored 50 million goals in 2 seasons and still couldn't get near the England team due to Shearer, Sheringham, Wright, Ferdinand & Collymore when at Forest
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
This is a really good comparison and shows the stupidity of people who write off young players. The only young player I can ever remember being a consistent regular at 18 (and indeed at 16) was Rooney. You just knew he would be world class. Everyone else went through up and down phases.
Lampard was hounded during his early days at West Ham and often told he wasn't good enough. While Gerrard was never hounded he played a variety of positions and had trouble with injuries until he emerged at around 22/23 as a world class consistent player.
Barkley for a similar age is probably slightly ahead of Lampard and similar to Gerrard. He has dazzled in some games but been a bit anonymous in others. (I never forget the game Gerrard played right back against Ginola and was completely embarrassed by him).
Barkley now needs to grow into a player that will dominate games and that is the next step for him.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I really like the look of Holgate form what I've seen. He is already a cut above Pennington in terms of potential. How would you rate James Bree in terms of potential?
It does look as if we've fostered a good relationship with Barnsley, and we should look to continue to do that. I think we should look to try and loan you young players if we get half an opportunity as they are obviously developed very well at Barnsley. Some who don't make it at Everton may still go onto be really good players for Barnsley who you will make a few quid on. (For example, think Adam Forshaw who Wigan recently bought for 6 million after he went to Brentford).
Our attempt to renegotiate the Stones buy out fee was absolutely small time in my opinion and showed a complete short sitedness.
Magic BFC
Player Valuation: £500k
Everton have three top class youngsters in Stones, Barkley, & Lukaku, That Spanish kid and that dirty little git with short hair and tattoos who bossed midfield against us look like they'll step up a level with games, so you have some quality players to build a team around, but it needs building ASAP, if you don't get them 3 Champions league football In next two years they'll be off to clubs that can, Everton are at a crossroads now with the players they have, you've 3 players that within a few seasons they're going to be too good for what Everton can offer them. In terms of money and platform on which to perform.
Kiwi
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Yep that's basically how I'd summarise it too. Even then might still leave after getting CL football, but then we might be able to attract decent replacements with CL.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Yes this is a fair summary. The 5 you mention all have the potential to be top players and the 3 at the top to be "world class". It's a question of how long we can keep them together.
We also have a lad called Garbutt who has been loaned out to Fulham because at present he's not as good as Baines who has a lot of talent too, and I would put him as a similar bracket to Luke Shaw. We also have Browning (21) and Galloway (19) who look decent prospects and have received some game time and didn't play against you. Also our right back in the first half Pennington looked ok (not as good as the others) but may be able to cement a place.
Below that our under 18/19's age group is very strong and the best in the country. So there is enormous potential really, but as you have said it is about trying to keep hold of them long enough for them to develop consistency to deliver us a top 4 place. This is partly why keeping Stones this summer was so important, as it was a statement of our intent in the next year or so.
Given the amount of good players we have coming through, this is all the more reason why an informal agreement with Barnsley might be fruitful.
It's a good question. From what i've seen recently he has been most effective when picking the ball up deep and kickstarting attacking moves - Southampton being the best example. Where i feel he gets bogged down is games when sides come and pack their defence e.g. Andorra v England and Watford v Everton. But that's a wider tactical issue as opposed to a 'where to play Ross Barkley' issue for Martinez and Hodgson to figure out?
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Yeah Le Tissier couldn't even get a cap. In his prime he'd be the best player in the entire team now. Massive drop in standards. England really under performed for the last two decades considering some of the talent that was available to go with those strikers (brilliant CBs in Adams Campbell Terry Ferdinand, midfielders like Scholes Ince Gerrard Lampard). Now the team is extremely poor with the likes of Lambert etc. getting caps. Henderson Delph Milner Welbeck Clyne Lallana Vardy, maybe even Jagielka and Cahill if we're being honest would never have been international players in previous years.
Pabbers
Player Valuation: £60m
Magic BFC
Player Valuation: £500k
Last week our owner had a meeting with the fans, he said it was us who approached Everton and asked them to take Holgate, as he wouldn't sign a new deal with us, and other clubs where using that to shaft us, so we turned to Everton knowing that they'd play fair and pay us the going rate as well as future payments and a sell on fee,
To answer the question about my opinion on Brees potential, I honestly think he'll be the best player we've ever had if he continues to develop as he is, he came into our team as a sixteen year old so he's already 2 years in front of Stones & Holgate, he's having injury problems due to growing spurts and it may hamper is development but if he realises his potential he'll be world class .
To answer the question about my opinion on Brees potential, I honestly think he'll be the best player we've ever had if he continues to develop as he is, he came into our team as a sixteen year old so he's already 2 years in front of Stones & Holgate, he's having injury problems due to growing spurts and it may hamper is development but if he realises his potential he'll be world class .
AaronTheBlue
Player Valuation: £60m
seems like we've built a good relationship between our two clubs then.
Which will be useful / beneficial for both clubs i'd hope, us loaning players to you / getting some players from you for a good deal for both.
Magic BFC
Player Valuation: £500k
That Garbutt kid is one of the best players I've seen down Oakwell this year, he played for England under 21s In a friendly, he was man of the match by a country mile for me that night. Not really seen much of him since or before but he's one I'll be keeping a eye out for after the performance.
So is Bree a right back primarily , or also midfield? RB is a position of strength for us re youngsters who play there for their country's age group e.g Kenny, Yates , Holgate (England) and Jones Wales.Plus Pennington and Browning who can and have played RB although like Holgate are seen as CHs.
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