Hahahaha. Transformed it to a mentality where we wanted to lose every game did they?
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Michael Keane or Conor Coady
- Thread starter GrandOldTeam
- Start date
- Status
Did you not see the work rate, desire and pressing increase significantly this season? What are you talking about?
Can you not see we’ve conceded far less with Coady and tark this season compare to keane and holgate/holgate/Mina last season?
I would pick Jeffrey Dahmer over Michael 'Don't bully me' Keane so this is the easiest decision ever.
Should be Mina every day of the week though. Unfortunately he can only play for 35 minutes
Should be Mina every day of the week though. Unfortunately he can only play for 35 minutes
Coady was deservedly dropped but he seems like the kind of person that takes that as a challenge and ups their game. Time will tell I guess.
Keane on the other hand got a full on titty lip when dropped and just skulked around until Daddy Dyche rescued him
Remember-the-name
Player Valuation: £5m
Dyche gets the best of him Keane. Keane for me atm.
Iana
Player Valuation: £2.5m
I’m not a fan of Keane but he was up against a very tough opponent in Ivan Toney on Saturday and did not allow himself to be bullied as we all have seen too many times in the past.
There was one tussle between them in the first half which led to the Main Stand shouting in unison against Toney which led to a foul being awarded to us.
He’s dangerous at the set-pieces but he should have buried that chance in the first half though…pity he’s got a head like a 50 pence piece.
There was one tussle between them in the first half which led to the Main Stand shouting in unison against Toney which led to a foul being awarded to us.
He’s dangerous at the set-pieces but he should have buried that chance in the first half though…pity he’s got a head like a 50 pence piece.
andy4efc
Player Valuation: £60m
I did think when we started the season, we were defneding reasonably well and there did appear to be a mentality shift, a confidence shift in how players were carrying themselves, how they were approaching games/team/1v1's.
Like anything Everton though, that cancer stepped in and worked its way through the team and that mental block any player has when they play for Everton stepped in. I dont think it matters if you have one or two strong individuals who will push regardless of good or bad, if most of the squad have a weak mind, then the cards will fall.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
I know it looked like Keane played ok on Saturday but he still allowed Toney a free header on the back post because once again he jumped underneath a diagonal cross. He also misjudged the ball down the line meaning Tarkowski had to come across and clear it out. If Brentford had taken a quick throw then, half the pitch was gaping for them to run straight in on goal.
There’ll be some games he gets away with these sort of errors but you just can’t have PL centre backs consistently making these types of mistakes and expect to be a team not challenging at the bottom.
Another day, we play exactly the same performance, but Brentford are a bit sharper in the box and we lose that 2 or 3-1 thanks to his errors.
There’ll be some games he gets away with these sort of errors but you just can’t have PL centre backs consistently making these types of mistakes and expect to be a team not challenging at the bottom.
Another day, we play exactly the same performance, but Brentford are a bit sharper in the box and we lose that 2 or 3-1 thanks to his errors.
I've said this a million times but I just think the whole idea of mentality is massively overblown and this is quite a good example of why. When things are going well people believe there's a good mentality in the squad but when things go bad that perception changes. In reality that isn't really how mentalities work - confidence and belief changes but mentality is something that doesn't change based on a couple of results. In my opinion we had a few games early in the season where we dug in and the attitude of the squad looked good, but that happens literally every single year. I don't see any evidence at all that Coady and Tarkowski have changed the mentality of the side, it's very hard to argue that they have when we're in the position we are.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Like most top flight players Keane will have games where he does great. All players have ability. The main issue with Keane (and most of our players) is consistency.
Personally I am OK with him as long ashe doesnt do that death pass which he does often where he steps out of defence and then plays a sloppy ball into the centre circle which not only puts us under pressure but results in him being out of position. Especially with Gueye in there who loves a good dawdle in that area.
I'd like to think Dyche will make sure we dont do such things though.
andy4efc
Player Valuation: £60m
I think it does have an effect. I dont think any team that wins the league does so without having that mentality of overcoming setbacks. Call it what you like, attitude is probably a better word as you've put it. To be a top level footballer you have to be mentally strong. You just have to, you have to have thick skin, the ability to drown out 40k people and focus on the task at hand. It doesn't mean when it goes right you can't enjoy it, but when it's not going to plan, to have the mental strength to overcome it.
I'm not convinced we have alot of mentally strong players in the squad, not just from this season but from many. I dont think any one or two individuals could change that personally, I think it can help having strong minded people in your squad, who can help others but it really depends on the individuals and how much they can handle.
I've not felt for a long time we have a team who mentally can handle pressure. Even under Ancelotti who doesn't feel any pressure at all (based purely from our outside perspective), players looked like they could crumble.
I feel like the last time we had a squad that really had that strong mindframe as a majority was probably that era of Arteta, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines, Neville, Lescott and so on.
*side note - I also dont think we have many technically good footballers either, so that could play a huge part in the collapsing that we have seen, a lack of confidence in ability and so forth.
We get a little off topic here @Lanolin but have to admit, bringing it back to Michael Keane, when he plays well, he seems to really play well but it's hard to imagine that he's got a strong head on him. In life that is okay but as a premier league centre half, you need to have that arrogance/strong headspace.
trueblue84
Player Valuation: £50m
For 2 years, Keane and holgate have played like they had money on us to go down. Coady has been poor, but no way I would ever say I want Keane in the team.
Sorry I don't think I made that very clear. Obviously mentality exists, what I mean is what people perceive to be mentality isn't always the case. Generally speaking teams win the league because they're very good at football. People who know they're very good at football, and consistently prove it by winning games, are more likely to retain the belief that they'll win even when they're losing, because they've done it before and they know they're better than the team they're playing. That same happens in reverse, if you're Everton and you've only won 14 games in 16 months, and only scored more than once 3 times all season, then when you go 1-0 down, you're not likely to have great confidence in your ability to turn it round. I think people often look at it entirely the wrong way round, seeing the results as being because of the mentality rather than the other way round. Our problem is that we only have about 2 players in the squad who I would trust to complete a basic pass 9 times out of 10 and we have nobody who I would back to score any given chance - they could have the greatest mentality known to man and it would make very little difference when they're so lacking in basic footballing ability.
I think Coady is a better leader and organiser than Keane, from the outside he seems a bigger personality and less prone to letting his head go down. I don't think he's necessarily any better as a player though, and so he's had next to no impact on results or the mentality of other players.
GoldenToffee
Player Valuation: £60m
Coady deserved to be taken out from the team, and tbh I can't argue with Keane coming in. Mina is a crock and is leaving in a matter of months, can you rely on somebody putting their body on the line when they're desperate to stay injury-free to secure a contract elsewhere? Holgate is rubbish, and Godfrey is being used at LB and looks ok. Keane, so far, has taken his chance. It obviously benefits to be alongside a very good centre half in Tarkowski, especially with them both being English (no communication problems unlike, you would assume, with Mina), familiar with each other's game and knowing the Dyche system inside out.
Keane had a good match this weekend but was so poor the weekend before.
I've seen Keane be dog crap for five years, Coady has had more good games than him in the first six months of the season than Keane has had since he's been here.
I've seen Keane be dog crap for five years, Coady has had more good games than him in the first six months of the season than Keane has had since he's been here.
- Status