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2017/18 Michael Keane

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Simon baker said:
How do you reconcile this with the gaping flaws in his game.

Will the players around him compensate for the technical flaws is in gam.

when players run at him he hangs a leg out side on. This should have been coached out of him years ago he is the easiest defender in the league to skip past after Williams.

Will the other defenders suddenly provide him with the strength to win headers when his opponent leans on him.

Granted he can win headers that are coming directly at him from the Front but everytime he has to deal with an opponent leaning on him he is outmuscled.

Cant run

Clearly has temperament issues seems to have no heart. He does lack confidence however l he is 25 and has played for man united. If he hasn’t switched on now I doubt he ever will.

I’m sorry but he is our worst signing as he has limited excuses for being so poor. Homegrown played in the league before highly rated.

I Concede Koemnan playing him wide in a back 3 didn’t help & he had a bad injury but the basics of his game don’t stack up.

I don’t like him one bit
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You have identified a lot of his flaws since he has been with us, but almost all of them stem from a lack of confidence which stems from him knowing that if he messes up there is no-one behind him. If you played someone who could do that (and Holgate did it for Williams in that brief run we had when Allardyce first was imposed on us), I would be willing to bet that he would even more improved than Williams did because he would no longer be in two minds every time the ball came near him.
 
If you look at that first goal today: before the ball is played in behind him he looks across the backline and sees the others have all stepped up trying to catch Barnes offside. He SEES that. But then he decides to hang back and play him on.

It's unreal.

Tbf, I dont think he's a terrible defender. I just think, of all the players we have, he in particular has been affected by the lack of organisation and cratering of confidence in the squad. He looks tormented.

I'd say dont write him off just yet. Wait until he plays under a proper manager before doing that.
 
Lanolin said:
He was absolutely appalling from the first whistle to the last. That first goal was coming all day, they were playing on his complete lack of mobility with that ball from the off.
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He actually won mist of his challenges for 1 hour but then fell apart. But i totally agree with you there is always a goal coming due to his lack of mobility and they did play on it.
 

tsubaki said:
You have identified a lot of his flaws since he has been with us, but almost all of them stem from a lack of confidence which stems from him knowing that if he messes up there is no-one behind him. If you played someone who could do that (and Holgate did it for Williams in that brief run we had when Allardyce first was imposed on us), I would be willing to bet that he would even more improved than Williams did because he would no longer be in two minds every time the ball came near him.
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Williams does not respect Keane - and vice-versa.

You cant have a CB pairing who feel that way about each other.
 
davek said:
If you look at that first goal today: before the ball is played in behind him he looks across the backline and sees the others have all stepped up trying to catch Barnes offside. He SEES that. But then he decides to hang back and play him on.

It's unreal.

Tbf, I dont think he's a terrible defender. I just think, of all the players we have, he in particular has been affected by the lack of organisation and cratering of confidence in the squad. He looks tormented.

I'd say dont write him off just yet. Wait until he plays under a proper manager before doing that.
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I think you’re slighlty wrong mate and to write him off is justified. Even if we got a proper manager he could only be Burnley quality not Everton level, he’s playing at championship level at the moment. Sell him and get top quality
 
riddick said:
I just miss the heyday of Jags and Lescott in their prime when you had 0 worries about a free kick/corner. We've just been so terrible with defending for 4 years straight.
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Jags and Lescott were a balanced pair and had good support on either side. Keane on the other hand has only been played with slower versions of himself.
 

ToffeeJord said:
I think you’re slighlty wrong mate and to write him off is justified. Even if we got a proper manager he could only be Burnley quality not Everton level, he’s playing at championship level at the moment. Sell him and get top quality
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I disagree. He's earned international recognition too.

I'm not saying he;s top class, but Jagielka was hopeless when he came here first and he was very decent on his day. I think he's salvageable. But he needs a confidence boost.
 
davek said:
If you look at that first goal today: before the ball is played in behind him he looks across the backline and sees the others have all stepped up trying to catch Barnes offside. He SEES that. But then he decides to hang back and play him on.

It's unreal.

Tbf, I dont think he's a terrible defender. I just think, of all the players we have, he in particular has been affected by the lack of organisation and cratering of confidence in the squad. He looks tormented.

I'd say dont write him off just yet. Wait until he plays under a proper manager before doing that.
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Honest opinion Dave, he's thick as a player, can handle a system like Burnley which effectively has 11 players who defend as a team and all give full effort etc, soon as he was out that goldfish bowl, he's drowned.

Or in another way - think about this, is there a single thing he does well, pace, aggression, sticking to his man, positioning, tackling, heading, leading??? lol, passing, agility, or anything else you can think of.

Player whose benefited hugely from playing in a rigid system which makes defenders look good like Burnley, and who got the credit because he was a former United academy player when the rest where lower league fodder - so it was assumed he must have been the quality in there etc
 
bluestevon said:
Honest opinion Dave, he's thick as a player, can handle a system like Burnley which effectively has 11 players who defend as a team and all give full effort etc, soon as he was out that goldfish bowl, he's drowned.

Or in another way - think about this, is there a single thing he does well, pace, aggression, sticking to his man, positioning, tackling, heading, leading??? lol, passing, agility, or anything else you can think of.

Player whose benefitted hugely from playing in a rigid system which makes defenders look good like Burnelys, and who got the credit because he was a former United academy player when the rest where lower league fodder - so it was assumed he must have been the quality in there etc
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If he could do "pace, aggression, sticking to his man, positioning, tackling, heading, leading??? lol, passing, agility, or anything else you can think of" by himself he would still be at United and we wouldn't be able to afford him even with all Moshiri's money. Play someone more suited to him along side him and he would look far better than he does now.
 
davek said:
I disagree. He's earned international recognition too.

I'm not saying he;s top class, but Jagielka was hopeless when he came here first and he was very decent on his day. I think he's salvageable. But he needs a confidence boost.
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Jags was hopeless because foir the first season his games where coming as a defensive mid mate, and he'd played there large part for sheff united, so took him time to adapt back to his better position in a higher league, Keane is for want of a better word absolutely shocking and looks not only lost but also gutless and gormless, the triple whammy
 

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