Migrant Crisis

[JimmyJeffers]

Calling fellow blues xenophobic and ignorant. Bad taste that.

You cheeky man xx

 

[Minimeister]

Eh? Tacklle ISIS & extremism in general - but don't defeat them unless you want more muslims to become extremists?

'Ordinary' muslims? What's 'ordinary' about ISIS that 'ordinary muslims' would sympathise & tag along with their barbaric ways?

I honestly believe a lot of 'moderate muslims' sympathise with ISIS a lot more than they do us mate, which is why they're usually reluctant to come out and condone such actions. You look at some barbaric events around the world and how many come out and try to actually justify such actions, that for any sensible thinking person is absolutely disgraceful. I was only reading the other day about a woman in Afghanistan who was wrongfully accused of burning the Koran and beaten to death by a gang of over 100 men and this was actually celebrated by some high ranking officials. Imagine thinking that beating a woman to death for burning a book is OK and then realise what you're dealing with.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Jesus .... Right ..... Ok. Recruitment for ISIS is easy. Indiscriminate drone strikes, illegal western invasion in the name of oil and commerce. The role of the UK and the U.S. In the rise of Islamic extremism is plain to see. We cannot kill Islam and we cannot defeat ISIS through military force. It would just fan the flames. Anyways this is starting to veer off topic to reveal a typical under current of xenophobia and ignorance

Yeah - because total subjugation, intimidation & mass slaughter of others is entirely acceptable, isn't it? As long as it's done by those just like you.....Even if it's against those just like you, as well as those that aren't....i.e. The great satan - AKA The decadent western infidel.

And don't preach about indiscriminate drone strikes when to all intents they're targeting the same lunatics who are blowing themselves up in bazaars & mosques etc. Or beheading those trying to alleviate the suffering of the non-combatants. Or destroying classical ancient architecture.....and beheading scholars ffs.

It's all our fault. All of it. Jesus wept.

 

[bizzaro]

NATO, led by the USA and Obama have been an abject failure over this issue, because the USA will not put boots on the ground. ISIS is not attacking any NATO country and to date has caused us no inconvenience. Turkey is a NATO country and so the whole force of NATO would be applied to it's defence, as per the NATO treaties. ISIS would be destroyed within a week and they know it. Therefore Turkey is a safe country.......

The Russians vetoed this in the UN.

Additionally when the Chemical weapons were used and the USA/NATO were threatening action - the Russians used heaven and earth to stop any action by negotiating the hand over of stocks.

That incidentally are being disposed of at Veolia in Ellesmere Port by incineration

http://www.veolia.com/en/our-custom...reat-pollution/uk-destroying-chemical-weapons


Even then people in the local area complained - despite these materials being ROUTINELY HANDLED and that the destruction of this by oxidation and incineration is ROUTINE and poses NO RISK to the population or any environmental damage.

@GrandOldTeam @the esk @davek

People are ignorant

Its the same with this Refugee crisis.

Years of abuse of the system by economic migrants looking to work in the EU to earn money

Has led to apathy and an inability to react to genuine refugees!

@GrandOldTeam also highlighted you also get abuses of the system by refugees looking to swap one safe country for another.

Unless some of the provisions in law for international refugees are changed allowing it easier for governments to handle them and allowing them to go home when their countries are considered 'safe'.

Means that this is a never ending issue.

I highlighted the UK is in the midst of 'immigration fatigue' due to 15 years of mass immigration and a current a UK population growth boom that makes anything Germany is now facing look insignificant. German politicians are looking at it with blinkers through their own self interest also.

Which is causing some of the issues of actually dealing with distinguishing between 'Refugees' (Syrians) and 'Economic Migrants' looking to sneak in.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I honestly believe a lot of 'moderate muslims' sympathise with ISIS a lot more than they do us mate, which is why they're usually reluctant to come out and condone such actions. You look at some barbaric events around the world and how many come out and try to actually justify such actions, that for any sensible thinking person is absolutely disgraceful. I was only reading the other day about a woman in Afghanistan who was wrongfully accused of burning the Koran and beaten to death by a gang of over 100 men and this was actually celebrated by some high ranking officials. Imagine thinking that beating a woman to death for burning a book is OK and then realise what you're dealing with.

Euuurrrgh! Ok this may or may not be the case. However, your opinions have possibly been formed by media representation. Have you spoken to many Muslims asking how they feel about such matters? Im guessing not. I could be wrong.
Anyways back to the migrants/ refugees. Let them all in. That's where I stand. Sorry guys

 

[Billy Dean]

With 4000 euros they could've got at least the wife & kids on a ferry or bought a car to get them to the overland border between Turkey & Greece/Bulgaria.

Who says they'd have been repatriated?

Turkey wouldn't grant them exit visas.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

ship em all off to Cancun

 

[Billy Dean]

I know. Point remains. No matter how tragic the end result, they wern't fleeing immediate danger.

They were living in Istanbul/Turkey for over a year. A place considered safe by the UK home office.




Oh and @Mrk , I think you're misunderstanding me.

You were quick to tell people to not confuse/compare the two, but;

They consider it safe for UK nationals. They're not considering Syrian Kurds.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Turkey wouldn't grant them exit visas.

You think an exit visa's a necessity?

 

[SpurtingLesbian]

[Expletive Removed]​

 

[Billy Dean]

You think an exit visa's a necessity?

I imagine it to be if they wanted to get through one of the borders you mentioned.

 

[bizzaro]

They consider it safe for UK nationals. They're not considering Syrian Kurds.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

economic migrants?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I imagine it to be if they wanted to get through one of the borders you mentioned.

Oh. So by travelling overland they need exit visas? There are no gaps in border security at the Greek or Bulgarian borders? The only place I know that's been fenced off is Hungary.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

economic migrants?

Ridiculous argument. Brits went there and lived in huts. They didn't take their families with them, neither.