Migrant Crisis

[Billy Dean]

Oh. So by travelling overland they need exit visas? There are no gaps in border security at the Greek or Bulgarian borders? The only place I know that's been fenced off is Hungary.

Getting into the field of speculation now. Maybe there were other dangers going that way that were not easy to circumvent.

 

[daylightrobber]

Euuurrrgh! Ok this may or may not be the case. However, your opinions have possibly been formed by media representation. Have you spoken to many Muslims asking how they feel about such matters? Im guessing not. I could be wrong.
Anyways back to the migrants/ refugees. Let them all in. That's where I stand. Sorry guys

Bob on.

It's amazing isn't it that the populace of the 6th richest country in the world are arguing about whether we can afford more people living here. This is all tied in to the same financial con that we're all enduring. Austerity for all. Blame the poor, blame the sick, blame the immigrants and whilst you're doing that we'll siphon off a little bit more.

 

[Billy Dean]

Thanks. Would read again.

 

[bizzaro]

Bob on.

It's amazing isn't it that the populace of the 6th richest country in the world are arguing about whether we can afford more people living here. This is all tied in to the same financial con that we're all enduring. Austerity for all. Blame the poor, blame the sick, blame the immigrants and whilst you're doing that we'll siphon off a little bit more.

So are you prepared to hand in your Everton season ticket to pay for this?

Really?

The ones saying this type of thing.

Are the last ones who are prepared to pay any more to cover it!

Its easy to say this if you're not the one who will pay anything towards it.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Ridiculous argument. Brits went there and lived in huts. They didn't take their families with them, neither.

I forgot. We're the good ones. We're expats not immigrants.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Getting into the field of speculation now. Maybe there were other dangers going that way that were not easy to circumvent.

And maybe there weren't. At least overland they'd be removing the risk of drowning. Would probly have been cheaper too.

 

[daylightrobber]

Ridiculous argument. Brits went there and lived in huts. They didn't take their families with them, neither.

I guess they sent everything they earned back home then. Talk about abusing a system.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

I guess they sent everything they earned back home then. Talk about abusing a system.

System? They didn't claim benefits, yes they sent their wages home.

 

[daylightrobber]

So are you prepared to hand in your Everton season ticket to pay for this?

Really?

I'm generally comfortable with what I contribute to helping others less fortunate than myself.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I guess they sent everything they earned back home then. Talk about abusing a system.

Did they get child benefit for their kids back in Blighty? Did they fill up German schools with their kids? Did they get all the other peripheral benfeits that today's immigrants get?

No. They did the graft & came home in the overwhelming majority of cases.

 

[Billy Dean]

And maybe there weren't. At least overland they'd be removing the risk of drowning. Would probly have been cheaper too.

We're on maybes now so kind of pointless. Maybe they went through options of how to get out of turkey and decided the least risky way was the way they went for reasons only people over there can know.

 

[bizzaro]

I'm generally comfortable with what I contribute to helping others less fortunate than myself.

Yes. I see your did not answer the question.

First ones to say 'help them'

Last ones to contribute towards paying for it.

 

[The Esk]

The Russians vetoed this in the UN.

Additionally when the Chemical weapons were used and the USA/NATO were threatening action - the Russians used heaven and earth to stop any action by negotiating the hand over of stocks.

That incidentally are being disposed of at Veolia in Ellesmere Port by incineration

http://www.veolia.com/en/our-custom...reat-pollution/uk-destroying-chemical-weapons


Even then people in the local area complained - despite these materials being ROUTINELY HANDLED and that the destruction of this by oxidation and incineration is ROUTINE and poses NO RISK to the population or any environmental damage.

@GrandOldTeam @the esk @davek

People are ignorant

Its the same with this Refugee crisis.

Years of abuse of the system by economic migrants looking to work in the EU to earn money

Has led to apathy and an inability to react to genuine refugees!

@GrandOldTeam also highlighted you also get abuses of the system by refugees looking to swap one safe country for another.

Unless some of the provisions in law for international refugees are changed allowing it easier for governments to handle them and allowing them to go home when their countries are considered 'safe'.

Means that this is a never ending issue.

I highlighted the UK is in the midst of 'immigration fatigue' due to 15 years of mass immigration and a current a UK population growth boom that makes anything Germany is now facing look insignificant. German politicians are looking at it with blinkers through their own self interest also.

Which is causing some of the issues of actually dealing with distinguishing between 'Refugees' (Syrians) and 'Economic Migrants' looking to sneak in.

There's little point arguing the politics because the situation these people find themselves in, be they refugees or economic migrants, requires an immediate humanitarian response and interim support until the individual circumstances can be verified.

However in the meantime all Western governments should be doing everything they can do to alleviate the suffering of many innocents by setting up support centres and camps in Turkey and either in the first ports of entry in Europe or by transporting people to other sites within Europe.

 

[roydo]

Saw this first thing this morning, been out and about, and still going.

Played lads, or I missed a meeting.

 

[rascal]

Feel sorry for the Hungarians though. The refugees aren't doing themselves any favours, Hungary is quite nice compared to a war-zone.