Migrant Crisis

[daylightrobber]

Yes. I've seen far too many a do-gooder who makes huge statements but suddenly vanish when it comes to getting their wallet out.

You'll be the first to complain if your standard of living declines as taxes are increased to pay to help the 'refugees'.

I've seen this all before far too many times.

Considering that either one of myself or my wife has been working in the 3rd sector for the last 15 years, I think you're wrong.

 

[bizzaro]

I prefer to be judged by my own standards mate, not the standards of others. If other nations do not want to help then that's not a reason not to help.

This just like anything is relative. Not absolutes.

If you look at the barriers the rich Gulf states have to refugees entering - you will begin to understand my cynicism.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34132308

In terms of employment, the trend in most Gulf states, such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE is towards relying on migrant workers from South-East Asia and the Indian subcontinent, particularly for unskilled labour.

While non-Gulf Arabs do occupy positions in skilled mid-ranking jobs, for example in education and health, they are up against a "nationalisation" drive whereby the Saudi and Kuwaiti governments in particular are seeking to prioritise the employment of locals.

Non-native residents may also struggle to create stable lives in these countries as it is near impossible to gain nationality.

In 2012, Kuwait even announced an official strategy to reduce the number of foreign workers in the emirate by a million over 10 years.

 

[The Esk]

I've had my say, so am out of the conversation .....

 

[tsubaki]

Absolutely. This Malthusian argument that we have no space. Or this economic argument that we can't afford to let people in. We've lost complete sight of human compassion and decency. All I'm seeing is people reverting to mistrust and cynicism. It's deeply worrying in my opinion

I would say that cynicism and mistrust are needed now more than ever, certainly they offer a better hope of an actual solution to this problem than the "let them in" brigade.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

I prefer to be judged by my own standards mate, not the standards of others. If other nations do not want to help then that's not a reason not to help.

I've gotta say it's an entirely valid point biz raises.

What about the standards the muslim world judges us on?

Bit hypocritical for them to say we're murdering their muslamic brothers & sisters, but they're the ones refusing assistance.

 

[oldblue]

Yes. I've seen far too many a do-gooder who makes huge statements but suddenly vanish when it comes to getting their wallet out.

You'll be the first to complain if your standard of living declines as taxes are increased to pay to help the 'refugees'.

I've seen this all before far too many times.

do-gooder is one of those phrases isn't it that reveals a lot about the person saying it. just be happy with your do-no-gooder status and let others get on with making a difference. As for 'who pays?' to quote Jerry Sadowitz..'you do... specifically ...you.'

 

[Jxg]

Calm down, that wasn't what I was trying to do, but funnily enough, there don't appear to be unemployment statistics by nationality. I suspect your claim that there are as many Romanians here on the dole as currently in work is wide of the mark though, unless you're suggesting that nearly 15% of all white unemployed people are Romanian?

The ONS doesn't supply unemployment statistics by nationality, no.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/about-ons...nd-bulgarians-unemployed-in-the-uk/index.html

But that's why I said up to. You'll find various sources estimating the number to be just as high, but they're estimates.

Again, I made no mention of whites. If you want a race debate, start a race thread. I'm sure you'd have to lock it pretty quickly though.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Like ive said before.. this is a global crisis.. the UN was formed for such events.

Where are the UN?

 

[bizzaro]

I've gotta say it's an entirely valid point biz raises.

What about the standards the muslim world judges us on?

Bit hypocritical for them to say we're murdering their muslamic brothers & sisters, but they're the ones refusing assistance.

I am one of the ones who want to help refugees (not economic migrants illegally entering the country simply to get a job - from 'safe countries'). Having contributed to charity after the Pakistan earthquake. Indian Ocean Tsunami and the Japanese Tsunami.

However, I am a little bit cynical seeing certain politicians on the continent playing cynical political games against the UK which has a booming population growth at the moment.


Alongside complete inaction from gulf states all too happy to see the problem head to Europe.

Thats the point.

Also those who are the ones loudest shouting to do something are more often than not the ones who will not pay to cover the costs.

Now on Syria I may make a donation to help the refugees. However, experience has taught me to be more dis-concerning and to be wary of those using this for political gain. The one's who are 'DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO'.

 

[bflefc]

but you really think the immigration system here is set up to sort this. there were a lot more people sent back to Iraq who were in fear of their life than people who have come here for economic opportunity. and better people smeak through the system than people who may end up killed by someone we were encouraging them to rise up against, because they didn't match our criteria

The main problem with the current system of assessing genuine refugee/asylum applications is that's it's utterly overwhelmed by the volume, which is grossly inflated by economic migrants and/or bogus applicants. The system itself has been creaking for beards, and any surge in applications is just not going to help.

 

[Jxg]

What's your basis on the claim that many arrive and just do nothing? And what do you mean, that they shouldn't have a small period of time where they work and live off what they've saved up before arriving here (e.g. a week to a few weeks, where they pay rent and live off their own savings)? Most have some sort of job (or job opportunity) lined up before they start planning their arrival anyway, or if not that then someone to stay with for at least a few weeks.

Many of those arrivals, in fact probably more than 60-70%, are also students, that's what I was getting at. The rest find whatever jobs they can as soon as they can. My friend just went to live in (around) London and had no job, took him a week and a half to find one. Was he a horrible immigrant monster because he did that?

What's your basis on the claim that they don't?

And what I mean is that if you don't have a job that you can start the day that you get here, or you don't have money to support yourself while you acquire a job, you should not be moving to the UK (or any country for that matter) for permanent residence. Seriously, this is not hard.

As for the rest, keyword being probably. You like to talk about students. You should know that students can't use the word probably.

Why would you move down to London without having a job lined up? What a stupid decision to make.

 

[roydo]

It is more an observation than anything else, but we dont seem to have arguments about the cost when we spend 10 years in Afghanistan and invade Iraq do we?

 

[bflefc]

TBH I am just amazed its nearly two pages in and no-one has said that Syrian girl was fit.

I actually typed it in my original post about her but deleted it before posting!

 

[wm02]

In following this story and similar stories, I'm always reminded of a good friend from high school (we also were doubles partners on the tennis team) whose family left the former Yugoslavia during the war in the 90s. I always knew he had come from a very difficult situation but it didn't quite click until I visited his house for the first time. I then met his younger brother who was missing a leg, an arm and had significant scarring on his face; all resulting from a landmine that exploded while he was playing. To be honest, I can't profess to having any particular insight as to a reasonable solution but these are our brothers and sisters. Lives turned upside down by war and tumult.

 

[SNova]

Once migrants get to a safe country, they are safe. I have little sympathy for the migrants that pass through several safe countries and try to illegally enter into Britian.