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Migrant Crisis

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roydo said:
It is more an observation than anything else, but we dont seem to have arguments about the cost when we spend 10 years in Afghanistan and invade Iraq do we?
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Well no - because the vast majority of people agreed then that at least one of those wars was complete idiocy, and were right. Nor are there many people saying we shouldn't do anything about this crisis.
 
bizzaro said:
However, I am a little bit cynical seeing certain politicians on the continent playing cynical political games against the UK which has a booming population growth at the moment.
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I agree. We opened our borders to newer EU member states several years before the germans (in particular) did. The germans don't mention that, conveniently.

bizzaro said:
Alongside complete inaction from gulf states all too happy to see the problem head to Europe.
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Again, I agree. The balkans was a european rather than a religious problem to the gulf states. Nevermind that their muslim brothers & sisters were being butchered.

Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was the whole world's problem, according to the arab world. When the US/coalition forces based themselves in Saudi (At THEIR invitation) they were told to keep the Israelis from retaliating against unprovoked iraqi scud attacks (Conventional or chemical, it didn't matter) - or they could sod off from Arab soil????!!!!!

Yet they don't lift a finger to help the palestinians.

And then there was East Timor; where Christians were being massacred wholesale by muslims. What did the gulf states do? They didn't say a dicky-bird. Not a peep.

No matter how it's painted - the west are always the villains. The muslim world complain the west is the world's policeman, and complain when they're not clearing up their problems.
 
bflefc said:
The main problem with the current system of assessing genuine refugee/asylum applications is that's it's utterly overwhelmed by the volume, which is grossly inflated by economic migrants and/or bogus applicants. The system itself has been creaking for beards, and any surge in applications is just not going to help.
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that's just a random guess and there is nothing to back that up. numbers of applications have gone down steadily over ten years and the system should always be set up to deal with crises. there are people who have been here for ten years and not had a first hearing, people actually so fed up of living in camps with little to live on and want to move on but can't. the system is a mess, numbers have nothing to do with it
 

bizzaro said:
I am one of the ones who want to help refugees (not economic migrants illegally entering the country simply to get a job - from 'safe countries'). Having contributed to charity after the Pakistan earthquake. Indian Ocean Tsunami and the Japanese Tsunami.

However, I am a little bit cynical seeing certain politicians on the continent playing cynical political games against the UK which has a booming population growth at the moment.


Alongside complete inaction from gulf states all too happy to see the problem head to Europe.

Thats the point.

Also those who are the ones loudest shouting to do something are more often than not the ones who will not pay to cover the costs.

Now on Syria I may make a donation to help the refugees. However, experience has taught me to be more dis-concerning and to be wary of those using this for political gain. The one's who are 'DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO'.
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Like the ones calling for help for the diaspora in the 30s and 40s?
 

Whistlin' Dixie said:
I agree. We opened our borders to newer EU member states several years before the germans (in particular) did. The germans don't mention that, conveniently.




Again, I agree. The balkans was a european rather than a religious problem to the gulf states. Nevermind that their muslim brothers & sisters were being butchered.

Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was the whole world's problem, according to the arab world. When the US/coalition forces based themselves in Saudi (At THEIR invitation) they were told to keep the Israelis from retaliating against unprovoked iraqi scud attacks (Conventional or chemical, it didn't matter) - or they could sod off from Arab soil????!!!!!

Yet they don't lift a finger to help the palestinians.

And then there was East Timor; where Christians were being massacred wholesale by muslims. What did the gulf states do? They didn't say a dicky-bird. Not a peep.

No matter how it's painted - the west are always the villains. The muslim world complain the west is the world's policeman, and complain when they're not clearing up their problems.
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Bang on. Its an absolute disgrace the likes of Qatar,Saudi,UAE,etc are turning this into a European problem given their vast wealth yet not doing anything to help and furthermore turning a blind eye to fund raising for the organisations these poor people are trying to escape in the first place.
 
oldblue said:
that's just a random guess and there is nothing to back that up. numbers of applications have gone down steadily over ten years and the system should always be set up to deal with crises. there are people who have been here for ten years and not had a first hearing, people actually so fed up of living in camps with little to live on and want to move on but can't. the system is a mess, numbers have nothing to do with it
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That is honestly the most illogical post I've ever read on GoT.
 

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