Migrant Crisis

[bizzaro]

Got a track record eh? Y'know.

Exactly.

I'm operating in reality here.

Offer what you can. Not what you can't.


And ffs JOE ANDERSON.

Get back to doing what he should be. LIVERPOOL ffs.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Think this is off topic.

No it isn't. It's a possible/probable consequence.

 

[oldblue]

The fact is they're expecting us (The west) to sort out THEIR problems. If they don't like what we do, then they exacerbate the problems of the things they were fleeing from by joining the factions that are causing the bleedin problems in the first place.

And there are westerners who facilitate this by labelling & euphemising them as 'martyrs' when they're no such thing.

if they were fleeing Fascism though surely we would have to see them as opposing that

 

[bizzaro]

No it isn't. It's a possible/probable consequence.

It's generalising.

Saying all Syrians are militant jihadists is nonsense.

I'm not saying we should not help the Syrians.

I'm saying we do it cleverly. With appropriate resources we can afford.

Without having other countries (Germany) force us to do things that aren't appropriate to the UK.

That's the difference.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

The image of that child will haunt me for many a while to come

We really should be doing more for refugees

 

[edge]

if tere fleeing Fascism though surely we would have to see them as opposing that

They are pretty much doing that, only religion has replaced nation as the war cry

 

[Toffeelover]

Is it more likely that rrfugees / migrants ould be resettled in Weybridge or Ellesmere Port, for example? Would local educaion services, health services etc be under great stress in working class areas?

There are practical problems to be assessed irrespective on the stance of the gutter press.

I think it would only be a matter of weeks before they are ona bus or train to London or where ever else they fancy.

 

[Toffeelover]

Indeed, don't be surprised if some wish to impose their culture upon us - by fair means or foul.

This is what concerns me some years down the line.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

if they were fleeing Fascism though surely we would have to see them as opposing that

Don't know if this is some sort of veiled dig, but I'll dignify it with a response all the same.

Muslim extremism/fundamentalism isn't a form of fascism? It that what you're telling this whole forum? OK, mate.

They oppose muslim extremism right up until the point the west doesn't give them what they want......and then the west are the baddies, so the muslim extremists they flee from must be the goodies, in that case.

It's generalising.

Saying all Syrians are militant jihadists is nonsense.

I didn't say they were ALL militant jihadists, did I? I didn't even mention Syrians, in fairness. But if there's just one example as a consequence it's one too many. If just one comes here and imposes his/her will on the rest of us, it's one too many. If one woman is raped by a refugee, or a child killed by a p1$$ed asylum seeker in a car, it's one too many.

 

[magicjuan]

The fact is they're expecting us (The west) to sort out THEIR problems. If they don't like what we do, then they exacerbate the problems of the things they were fleeing from by joining the factions that are causing the bleedin problems in the first place.

And there are westerners who facilitate this by labelling & euphemising them as 'martyrs' when they're no such thing.

That's certainly naive to the point of fuelling the narrative. The west is the root cause of the majority of their problems, wether it be chasing resources, land grabbing, undermining democracy, supporting, funding and allowing tyranny, trapping cycles of debt, using illegal weapons, geopolitical manoeuvrings over many, many years.

You think they want us to sort out their problems? Too right they do, by not creating them in the first place..

 

[roydo]

If one woman is raped by a refugee, or a child killed by a p1$$ed asylum seeker in a car, it's one too many.

Think you need to cool down a bit mate. I get your central point. But that sort of statement does neither you not your point much credit.

 

[oldblue]

Don't know if this is some sort of veiled dig, but I'll dignify it with a response all the same.

Muslim extremism/fundamentalism isn't a form of fascism? It that what you're telling this whole forum? OK, mate.

They oppose muslim extremism right up until the point the west doesn't give them what they want......and then the west are the baddies, so the muslim extremists they flee from must be the goodies, in that case.


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wasn't a dig in that way at all. I am just saying that people flee conflict created by all nature of extremes and surely supporting them in their stand is what matters. best way to do this is to remain open minded to anyone's beliefs provided they tolerate others

 

[magicjuan]

Don't know if this is some sort of veiled dig, but I'll dignify it with a response all the same.

Muslim extremism/fundamentalism isn't a form of fascism? It that what you're telling this whole forum? OK, mate.

They oppose muslim extremism right up until the point the west doesn't give them what they want......and then the west are the baddies, so the muslim extremists they flee from must be the goodies, in that case.





I didn't say they were ALL militant jihadists, did I? I didn't even mention Syrians, in fairness. But if there's just one example as a consequence it's one too many. If just one comes here and imposes his/her will on the rest of us, it's one too many. If one woman is raped by a refugee, or a child killed by a p1$$ed asylum seeker in a car, it's one too many.

As are those things perpetrated by anyone. By throwing an 'identity' at it you are claiming that makes it worse, which denigrates the suffering of other victims, they didn't suffer as much after being raped because it wasn't by a refugee...

seriously, that's how it reads

 

[dandydan]

Has GOT decided who is to blame yet? That is usually funny.

Labour.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

That's certainly naive to the point of fuelling the narrative. The west is the root cause of the majority of their problems, wether it be chasing resources, land grabbing, undermining democracy, supporting, funding and allowing tyranny, trapping cycles of debt, using illegal weapons, geopolitical manoeuvrings over many, many years.

You think they want us to sort out their problems? Too right they do, by not creating them in the first place..

Whoa there!

Wasn't it saddam who stopped the islamist looneys from blowing themselves up in bazaars & mosques? But he was murdering his own - so we got shut of him for them as much as us.

Where were all the crank suicide bombers and AQ & ISIS in Libya during gadaffi's time there? But he too was murdering his own so we got shut of him as well. Not only that but he was an IRA benefactor.

And what were them nasty Russians doing in Afghanistan that the west were almost compelled to arm the mujahadeen? (OBL & co). Oh yeah - they were butchering the Afghans wholesale

But they were baddies once upon a time weren't they? Even though there was no terrorist organisations or the atrocities (That they carry out on their OWN PEOPLE on a far bigger scale the west has ever done) on the scale there is now without them.

There's no pleasing the muslim world - we'll ALWAYS be the decadent western infidel. Those deaths by muslim fundamentalists are on muslim hands - nobody else's.