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Migrant Crisis

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neil999 said:
easy for you to say, they are probably in fear of being sent back or living in camps with horrendous conditions...they see germany/UK as countries that are more likely to treat them fairly
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Yes it easy for me to say. It's a definition.

Are the migrants in Calais in danger? They are in France for God sake.
 
neil999 said:
easy for you to say, they are probably in fear of being sent back or living in camps with horrendous conditions...they see germany/UK as countries that are more likely to treat them fairly
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SNova said:
Refugees are people who are in danger. Once they reach a safe country they are no longer in danger.
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Turkey has a just wonderful human rights record, and Hungary has been reported as having really poor camps and infrastructure to deal with these refugees.
-wizard- said:
no hesitation whatsoever. as proven the Uk pay more in aid than any other EU country. we take on more than our share of migrants.

why is it ok for hungary to say NO. fullstop. end of. ??????
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Why does it matter what they do. We're doing the right thing and should continue to do so, regardless of whether others follow or not.
 
Jxg said:
Watch that video again.

Watch the main throw his (possibly pregnant) wife and baby onto the train tracks.

Now tell me, from the bottom of your heart and soul, with a straight face, that he truly cares about the well-being of his family.

If you can do that then I have genuine fears for your household because I would never, ever lay a finger on a woman, child or baby under any circumstance, let alone throw them to the ground like a rag doll.

This is a direct response to you what you have just said, not what "I wanted you to say".
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again it is a clear statement.. I am not commenting on what he has done but the idea that whatever he might have done means that refugees don't care about their families. You are all asking for clarity but the strong impression I get is that is the last thing any of you want. You want your opinions reinforced. Sorry. can't help
 
Kiwi said:
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Turkey has a just wonderful human rights record, and Hungary has been reported as having really poor camps and infrastructure to deal with these refugees.


Why does it matter what they do. We're doing the right thing and should continue to do so, regardless of whether others follow or not.
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So we should accept everyone from Turkey as genuine refugees?
 

neil999 said:
easy for you to say, they are probably in fear of being sent back or living in camps with horrendous conditions...they see germany/UK as countries that are more likely to treat them fairly
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If they are genuine refugees they will not be sent back. That's why they need to be processed. They will be well looked after in Hungary but they want to be in Germany. If Germany really wants them, just send planes and pick them up.....
 
Paul Bernard said:
That's the thing though, I do have empathy for those less fortunate than me, I also did a little work in the same homeless centre stevie Naismith often helps out. I just believe that whilst we have british born and raised residents here, losing their homes because the price of rent and general living prices are spiralling out of control, those are the ones we should help first. Sort our own mess out then we can help others.

This topic has only been brought to light because of the baby boy washing up on the shores, so if anything I think a lack of empathy has existed for months or even years until recently. The same people fuming over the boys body are the same people who complain foreigners are taking 'our' jobs only a few days ago.

Sometimes we spend so long helping everyone abroad with humanitarian aid that we often forget about ourselves.
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yep, British people deserve exactly the same respect. I just don't think these two things work against each other in my experience. we can start to address how people who are here long term or have just arrived are treated when they are in desperate circumstances. that is all I can personally hope for. It just hasn't been my experience that one benefits at the expense of the other more that it an evironment that demeans one, demeans the other. How we cope with a huge number of people coming in with the Government we have is an issue, but I just don't think their attitude towards refugees will be better than their attitude to the rest of us.
And full kudos to working at The Whitechapel. A few friends work there and it is an amazing place.
 
I'd like to think that the vast vast majority of us who have kids know that to put them in danger of harm is ridiculously unnatural. No one deliberately does that without exceptionally good reason. It goes against all instincts. To suggest otherwise does a disservice to all parents.
 

oldblue said:
again it is a clear statement.. I am not commenting on what he has done but the idea that whatever he might have done means that refugees don't care about their families. You are all asking for clarity but the strong impression I get is that is the last thing any of you want. You want your opinions reinforced. Sorry. can't help
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And like I said in my last post, which you have completely ignored, if you are willing to harm your family you do not truly care about them.
 
daylightrobber said:
Do you know what was happening before the video starts. This is obviously desperate people taking actions which are alien to the likes of you and me. However, I think it's fair to assume that many of these people are under extreme stress. They are close to breaking point, if not already beyond. The video I saw, saw a man being rough with the woman and child, but then holding them tight. There is little context. Without knowing the full story I don't think it fair to hold it up as an example of how all refugees behave.

As for why some would take measures I effort to ensure passage through one country and onto another. Again you have no idea. Family may have already reached a destination. Treatment by the authorities in one country may have been negative (in a lot of East European countries the authorities are blackmailing immigrants). They may fear that they're going to end up suffocated in the back of a lorry.

There could be plenty of explanations for what we see as irrational behaviour. If you're happy to pre judge, fire away. I doubt you'll ever know what is going on in the heads of these people who are obviously suffering.
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I can say that for anything mate.

Do you know what was happening before this video of a man punching another man in the face started?

Do you know what was happening before this video of a suicide bomber running into a room started?

It's a stupid point to make, sorry. Regardless of what might or might not have been happening before a video, that does not excuse the actions during one.

I appreciate your attempt, but your entire post is just dismissing hard video evidence as "you don't know why it's happening". I do know why it's happening. They don't want to stay in Hungary, they want to go to Germany and they are willing to put the lives of themselves, their wives and their children at risk to achieve that.
 

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