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Mike Walker V Roberto Martinez

who was worse £4£ in relative terms

  • Walker

  • Martinez

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ilikecheese said:
They both amounted to F all. They are pretty much the same thing. Both milestones that don't really mean a whole helluva lot in the big picture.

When you are ticking the fourth place trophy box in a decade of work and the 72 point trophy box in the three years following.

You are voting for meh about the same.
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True though. Winning the league is the real deal of course.
 
ianefc said:
Did we move into 4th?
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Christ Ian we were 4th at 8 points that season now that I'm really looking at it.

No wonder hope was off the charts.

We only managed to maintain it for two consecutive weeks though, and the 7 on the bounce took us from 6th to 4th.

I guess both sides of the Martinez 'weird point scoring debate on the internet' have their points.

We move on.
 

ilikecheese said:
They both amounted to F all. They are pretty much the same thing. Both milestones that don't really mean a whole helluva lot in the big picture.

When you are ticking the fourth place trophy box in a decade of work and the 72 point trophy box in the three years following.

You are voting for meh about the same.
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Yup the whole discussion is pointless. every manager since 95 has failed, just gone about it differently. Moyes was too defensive and cautious while Martinez was too lackadaisical and open.
 

toffeeblue9 said:
Whilst Dave's defence of Martinez borders on insane at times, there is no way anyone living in Sanityville can claim Mike Walker was the better manager. Walker was by a distance the biggest fraud ever to set foot in our club. Refer to Southall's opinion of the man.
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Walker is the better manager in general, as taking a small outfit like Norwich to third in the league, playing good football, is a legit achievement beyond the scope of Martinez. No grey areas there.
There was nothing fraudulent about Walker's failure with us, he took over a poor side, nothing worked, it was awful, it was short, the end.
Martinez, OTOH, was a pan-galactic fraud. I've never seen (and doubt there ever had been in Evertons history) such a failure to coach good players. Followed by him bending the club over afterwards for compensation, and cementing his legacy with the Niasse atrocity.
 
Black Belt Jones said:
Walker is the better manager in general, as taking a small outfit like Norwich to third in the league, playing good football, is a legit achievement beyond the scope of Martinez. No grey areas there.
There was nothing fraudulent about Walker's failure with us, he took over a poor side, nothing worked, it was awful, it was short, the end.
Martinez, OTOH, was a pan-galactic fraud. I've never seen (and doubt there ever had been in Evertons history) such a failure to coach good players. Followed by him bending the club over afterwards for compensation, and cementing his legacy with the Niasse atrocity.
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A poor side? Dunno - often think that has been overplayed.

Everton were 11th with 24 points from our 18 games when Kendall left in 1993, showing where a capable manager could have Everton finish

Jimmy Gabriel as caretaker then presided over a miserable return of 1 point from the 7 games he was in charge, leaving us in 16th place

Walker still managed to move us down a place from there to 17th by the end of the season, winning 19 points from his 17 games

When he left the following season, we were rock bottom with 8 points from 14 games. That's a fairly spectacular fall from where he had been with the previous manager. His successor then kept us up, won the cup and finished 6th the following season with largely the same group of players (with one or two notable additions).

To me, it stands out that Walker in between the two was far more of an issue than the players

Granted - the players were nowhere near as good as the ones Martinez had, but the decline under Walker was dramatic when you consider what preceded and proceeded him
 
toffeeblue9 said:
A poor side? Dunno - often think that has been overplayed.

Everton were 11th with 24 points from our 18 games when Kendall left in 1993, showing where a capable manager could have Everton finish

Jimmy Gabriel as caretaker then presided over a miserable return of 1 point from the 7 games he was in charge, leaving us in 16th place

Walker still managed to move us down a place from there to 17th by the end of the season, winning 19 points from his 17 games

When he left the following season, we were rock bottom with 8 points from 14 games. That's a fairly spectacular fall from where he had been with the previous manager. His successor then kept us up, won the cup and finished 6th the following season with largely the same group of players (with one or two notable additions).

To me, it stands out that Walker in between the two was far more of an issue than the players

Granted - the players were nowhere near as good as the ones Martinez had, but the decline under Walker was dramatic when you consider what preceded and proceeded him
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If Walker picked us up in 16th and left us 20th, that's not as bigger fall as Martinez taking us over having finished 6th and leaving us in 13th. Even if it was a 24 team league in 93/94 and 94/95? The fall in terms of league position from starting point to bullet was very similar.
 

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