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Mike Walker V Roberto Martinez
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Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
Walker was an unmitigated disaster,but Martinez posted the worst home record EVER. Has to be a draw. Joint bottom is their position for me , and good riddance .
Compared to Martinez, Smith was exceptional.
Black Belt Jones
Player Valuation: £20m
Walter was working under pretty straitened circumstances, though, as the Johnson regime circled the drain. He was terrible, but you can't really look at that team and say another manager would have had them singing, it was a dark time for the club.
If we'd been relegated against Wimbledon on that fateful day, Royle would have probably taken us straight back up IMO. Late 90s, though, if we'd gone down against Coventry, or if K Campbell hadn't saved the day in 99 when the team was in a death spiral, we'd have gone under.
No facts whatsoever to support that
Of course there are. Brought here under false pretences, inherited a squad that barely survived relegation the year before, received absolutely nothing in terms of transfer funds, had good players sold from under him - yet still kept us in the league while he was here.
Whereas Martinez inherited a good squad and... well, we know what happened there.
They aren't remotely comparable. Martinez with what Smith had would have had us relegated in short order. Smith does not belong in the same discussion as Martinez and Walker when it comes to bad Everton managers.
Had funds Bakayoko, Collins and more, tactically useless and totally uninspiring. By the way every manager since 1953 has kept us in the top flight It was a miracle he did deffo on a par with Mike Walker.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
He had loads of money to spend! That summer where he bought in Dacourt, Collins, Matterazi etc was mad.
He had one player sold under him, Ferguson. And he got him back a year or two later anyway!
Smith was miles worse than Martinez. There were games were he played 6 bloody centre backs!
No he didn't. All three of those players he signed were sold by the club after the NTL deal fiasco, as well as the likes of Michael Ball (who absolutely did not want to leave but the club had to sell him, as we were penniless).
There's no argument to be made in my view for saying Smith was worse than Martinez. He simply was not.
Runcornblue52
Player Valuation: £8m
To be fair .........Smith was manager against 'boro ......3-0 ....really bad !
Black Belt Jones
Player Valuation: £20m
Mate there's right, there's wrong, and then there's not even wrong. Have a guess which category your post falls into? It would have to substantially improve to attain wrongness.
The Smith years were grim, he was dour and not a good communicator, but he was a decent man and had character. The club was an absolute circus at that time, avoiding administration by an arse hair, and it would have been very easy for him to just walk away. He stuck it out and kept us up - and yeah anyone can rightfully say it was atrocious football, and it wouldn't have been such a crisis with a better manager, but no one could have managed Everton with distinction at that time, it was just a period to be endured.
You're easily led if you think an oleaginous, self-serving creep like Martinez is 'miles' better than Smith. Martinez was managing us in a period of financial tranquility, inherited a strong side, and molded it into the most supine, unfit, mentally weak collection of losers in living memory. Arlarses have posted on here about the 1951 side being 'not that bad, really' compared to that of 2016. Hence the thread title - Walker v Martinez for worst Everton manager of all time. Smith is not remotely in that conversation.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
96 votes for Sir Bob
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Well I think you are wrong.
Nobody forced him to play Gravesen or Nyarko (Again two big money signings) as sweepers in random games.
I actually liked Smith as I thought he was always very dignified but he was a rubbish manager for us. He had as much to spend as 75% of the division.
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