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Modern Football Fans & Stats

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Makes me laugh these people giving it “team x used stats to do y and now they’re really good” and acting like they’re some super sporting stats guru and not just a virgin typing drivel on the Internet lol
 
For stats to be useful to a sports entity:

FIRST you have to understand how the game is played and the particular tactical capabilities you want to employ.
SECOND you have to be able to decompose what are the important qualities of the roles you want players to employ within those tactics.
THIRD you have to determine how many of those things are currently measurable based on what is currently tracked.
FOURTH you have to build intelligent models to measure performance against those role based criteria.

There is also a continual misinterpretation of how the analytic revolution came about in baseball and how it's changing / changed the way teams look at sports from hockey to basketball to football.

That being said, this idea that a player is actually good, but statistically bad, is just so stupid on so many levels I don't know where to start. It usually stems from complete ignorance on current statistical measures or football tactics. Usually both.

Beyond that, if you think that an understanding of analytics prevents someone from enjoying watching the game with the same level of passion as someone that doesn't, you are also a complete moron.

And lastly, if you think that some posters that have some knowledge of stats don't get laid or couldn't kick your teeth in, you are also a moron.
 

CRIMHEAD said:
Most don't understand moneyball.
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Who would ever support a team to cheer on moneyball?

I’ll digress slightly. Roy Keane was a childhood hero of mine. Captain of my country but unfortunately represented United.

If he made a single monster tackle it would raise his team mates and raise the crowd. Same as Pointy Phil on Ronaldo. A single incident can energise a crowd and change a game in an instant.

In moneyball world though it is a single widget for a ball won. It is unreflective of what is actually happening out on the field and what happens there is all that matters.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
Who would ever support a team to cheer on moneyball?

I’ll digress slightly. Roy Keane was a childhood hero of mine. Captain of my country but unfortunately represented United.

If he made a single monster tackle it would raise his team mates and raise the crowd. Same as Pointy Phil on Ronaldo. A single incident can energise a crowd and change a game in an instant.

In moneyball world though it is a single widget for a ball won. It is unreflective of what is actually happening out on the field and what happens there is all that matters.
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That has absolutely nothing to do with moneyball. Or stats, really.

But look, if that's important your club, build it into your model. If you want a team that gets stuck in and is physical, by all means.

I get as fired up about a good tackle as anyone - frankly, that was usually my role when I played (and still is when I do). Who doesn't love that? Can it change a game? Maybe.
 

Bungle said:
Whatever happened to watching a game and coming up with an opinion based on what you saw with your own eyes?

It's been mentioned in other threads but there seems to be a huge emphasis on people using random stats to demonstrate why we should or shouldn't sign a player when for the most part the stats used are garbage.

If we could stop using pointless stats as the sole basis as to the pros and cons of a player that would be great. Surely the 4 hours you spent compiling stats and making graphs would have been better spent climbing off your stained bed sheets, having a shower and putting some effort into forming meaningful relationships.
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Our previous manager had a 100% win record at international level and you all wanted him gone.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
Doesn’t it?

A midfielder from Cobh Ramblers is taken a punt on in professional sport and turns into valuable performer then saleable asset.

That he progressed as he did is the end product of moneyball.
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Moneyball was about using limited resources and finding opportunities within marketplaces. There was lots of opportunities because scouts and managers - usually old, stupid ball players - didn't understand the true causal relationships with the game and as a result under or overvalued certain players based on a new model of what a player could or should be.

Using stats was just a cheaper way to exploit the marketplace b/c the Oakland A's didn't have any money. But it was the different way of looking at the game that mattered.
 
CRIMHEAD said:
Moneyball was about using limited resources and finding opportunities within marketplaces. There was lots of opportunities because scouts and managers - usually old, stupid ball players - didn't understand the true causal relationships with the game and as a result under or overvalued certain players based on a new model of what a player could or should be.

Using stats was just a cheaper way to exploit the marketplace b/c the Oakland A's didn't have any money. But it was the different way of looking at the game that mattered.
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I have read the book mate, even watched the film.

It has very limited application in football.
 

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