CRIMHEAD
Player Valuation: £40m
It's been happening for decades, man.
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Blue Juice
Player Valuation: £25m
If you use stats as the basis of your footballing opinion without it being your job you need to pick a new sport/hobby
Badge1878
Player Valuation: £8m
Stats are part of the equation, but pick the right ones. The lad from Stoke who took the corners and sprinted each time to the corner to take them when the ball was dead to get his power sprints sprints up - he knows who he is - shows it’s part of the equation. The goalie who got ‘caughtk in his eighteen yard box spelling out unpleasant words as he followed the game because he had a tracker on his movements can make a mockery of a pure number based game.
There a characteristics in players that no statistician/Moneyball guru can decipher. It’s about character and desire as much as multiples of the same activity. Have you got it, do you want it? What did Snods say in his book about Howard and the question before signing ‘do you like a social?’ He did, but not like that team of league winners did at the time.
Times have changed, I get it, but Snods had the awareness of what was needed to to be accepted by a group of league winners and he had adapt and fit in. That team went went to war together, he soon did too. Show me that stat? His ability to show he was a part of the team off the pitch as well as on it proved a lot. Top bloke by the way!
Ability and character are different commodities, you may be able to judge one via a conventional metric, the other is an ingredient. Judge the man, not just the player....then make your decision if you are deciding what is the right fit for the team. I think we do this more than what we realise; I hope so anyway!!
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There a characteristics in players that no statistician/Moneyball guru can decipher. It’s about character and desire as much as multiples of the same activity. Have you got it, do you want it? What did Snods say in his book about Howard and the question before signing ‘do you like a social?’ He did, but not like that team of league winners did at the time.
Times have changed, I get it, but Snods had the awareness of what was needed to to be accepted by a group of league winners and he had adapt and fit in. That team went went to war together, he soon did too. Show me that stat? His ability to show he was a part of the team off the pitch as well as on it proved a lot. Top bloke by the way!
Ability and character are different commodities, you may be able to judge one via a conventional metric, the other is an ingredient. Judge the man, not just the player....then make your decision if you are deciding what is the right fit for the team. I think we do this more than what we realise; I hope so anyway!!
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CRIMHEAD
Player Valuation: £40m
Character is key, especially with younger players. Stats tell you history, you are projecting for the future. You can get a feel for the style of play, what the player is good at, but can they continue to be good at those things at higher levels? Those are difficult things to predict.
And AGAIN, Moneyball is not about stats, guys.
A team will generally finish where it’s wage bill dictates that it will. This is being proven year after year as I am sure you know and this doesn’t fit the logic of moneyball whatsoever.
Big chance fc
CRIMHEAD
Player Valuation: £40m
Like Leicester?
There are lots of examples out there in world football where teams are punching beyond their weight. It may not be enough to topple the pure elite teams of course, especially in some of the leagues. But the use of analytics in particular is still emerging.
If anything, you could argue that football as a sport may have greater ability due to the difficulties of measuring important aspects of the game and the uber traditional attitude of many of its players and professionals.
Leicester was an anomaly, nothing more and nothing less.
Erm, no. Klassen was clearly trained to play a very different style from what Koeman had the team playing, and was looking to make passes to players who weren't making the runs he expected, and he was likewise moving into space that didn't exist because his teammates had no idea where he would be.
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
The "logic of moneyball" is probably slightly more complex than this, but don't let me dissuade you with ideas
bring the ghost on
Player Valuation: £35m
Yes, it’s all the fault of the management that he looked completely and utterly out of his depth in every game.
Which is also why two consecutive managers couldn’t wait to get rid.
ijjysmith
Calm
You should never really use an anomaly like Leicester’s title win to prove a point.
I never said he wasn’t out of his depth. I was responding to your ridiculous assertion that he was too slow and weak to play PL even though he had “good stats.” And I’m sorry if this disagrees with your view, I’m just using my eyes to judge the player, yo.
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