2019/20 Moise Kean

[BlueToff]

Yeah that’s fair but I was replying to a post saying play him up front or it’s ridiculous management. He’s got more experience out wide than up top on his own so that’s clearly a terrible argument which needs pointing out.

Yep I agree mate.

What's worked recently (well, in very small examples) with Kean is him being able to come on and basically play right up the pitch. You can do that late on, regardless of playing wide right or through the middle I suppose.

 

[RFUS]

Yeah that’s fair but I was replying to a post saying play him up front or it’s ridiculous management. He’s got more experience out wide than up top on his own so that’s clearly a terrible argument which needs pointing out.

A terrible argument you counter with a blatant lie? He's had way more minutes as a striker than any other position. Sometimes in a front two, sometimes in a front 3. Not sure he's ever really played on the right though I can't say I've seen every minute of his career so maybe he has.

Whether he's able to play up top on his own is another question altogether. I'm not sure personally but I'd love to see us bin 4-2-3-1 anyway as I don't think any of our strikers suit the formation.

 

[Lanolin]

A terrible argument you counter with a blatant lie? He's had way more minutes as a striker than any other position. Sometimes in a front two, sometimes in a front 3. Not sure he's ever really played on the right though I can't say I've seen every minute of his career so maybe he has.

Whether he's able to play up top on his own is another question altogether. I'm not sure personally but I'd love to see us bin 4-2-3-1 anyway as I don't think any of our strikers suit the formation.

A blatant lie? Hahaha. He’s played wide right a lot, just in a slightly different formation and with better players. Playing out wide isn’t unfamiliar to him is the point I was making, playing up front on his own is.

 

[Gaffa]

He didn’t look comfortable and was tightly replaced but Silva has made a mess of that man management tonight

worrying he also looked very unfit and he was blowing early

 

[Coggy]

A terrible argument you counter with a blatant lie? He's had way more minutes as a striker than any other position. Sometimes in a front two, sometimes in a front 3. Not sure he's ever really played on the right though I can't say I've seen every minute of his career so maybe he has.

Whether he's able to play up top on his own is another question altogether. I'm not sure personally but I'd love to see us bin 4-2-3-1 anyway as I don't think any of our strikers suit the formation.

The formation is simply a joke playing at home against inferior opposition.
However if Silva manages to survive until December , I think that system will work if played against the "top sides" , if used with pace.
The bloke is simply too one dimensional though.
His obsession with sideways passing , and therefore possession is Martinez-esque , and will therefore possibly nullify the pace angle.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

A blatant lie? Hahaha. He’s played wide right a lot, just in a slightly different formation and with better players. Playing out wide isn’t unfamiliar to him is the point I was making, playing up front on his own is.

Juve was playing 4-3-3 when he was on the right (rarely), we are 4-2-3-1 team and he struggled, rightly so..

 

[davek]

A blatant lie? Hahaha. He’s played wide right a lot, just in a slightly different formation and with better players. Playing out wide isn’t unfamiliar to him is the point I was making, playing up front on his own is.

He's hopeless.

FFS, the lad hasn't got a clue where the net is. He's just tat.

 

[Carlito]

Yep I agree mate.

What's worked recently (well, in very small examples) with Kean is him being able to come on and basically play right up the pitch. You can do that late on, regardless of playing wide right or through the middle I suppose.

It's looking more and more like he wasn't the striker that the manager wanted in the summer.

I was expecting a few months of tinkering until a system was found which got the best out of him, but there's no sign of any effort being made on that front. I don't think that Silva has any use for a striker who can't play with his back to goal.

 

[Zatara]

not really; if he'd put him in his actual position we might be more than one up

Has to play up top. He isnt a winger.. he isnt a mid.. simple. Pair him up top with DCL and have richy and iwobi playing a CAM/Winger role. He was put in the lineup from the start to fail with that position

Not suited to Silvas dour set up and style of play.

Shoe horning him on the wings is a sign of him running out of ideas what else to do with him.

He’ll be gone this time next year, if Silva is still here.

A performance as a result of being stuck on the wing when he's a striker.

I hope that's settled any lingering questions about whether he can play out wide.

The mistake wasn't bringing him off, it was putting him out wide in the first place. Has he ever played on the right of midfield before? It's hard enough to adjust to a new league as a foreign teenager without being shunted out of position.

It was a good opportunity to have him play up front today as Watford's centre backs are bang average.

Was treated unfairly tonight tbf

Then if that's the case mate, you either don't play him or bring him on as a sub later on. Hooking him after 45 minutes of playing out of position does no one any favours.

This , entirely.
Absolutely shocking management.
Some on here praising him for realising the mistake and hooking him off. Absolute jokers.
Gradually ruining a great prospect.

He's had plenty of games out wide for both Verona + Juve + Italy.

Its basically the same argument about whether Holgate was a CB or a RB.

A terrible argument you counter with a blatant lie? He's had way more minutes as a striker than any other position. Sometimes in a front two, sometimes in a front 3. Not sure he's ever really played on the right though I can't say I've seen every minute of his career so maybe he has.

Whether he's able to play up top on his own is another question altogether. I'm not sure personally but I'd love to see us bin 4-2-3-1 anyway as I don't think any of our strikers suit the formation.

Youve just called someone out on a lie when youve either misunderstood their post or youve backtracked through your post...bit of an odd one lol

A blatant lie? Hahaha. He’s played wide right a lot, just in a slightly different formation and with better players. Playing out wide isn’t unfamiliar to him is the point I was making, playing up front on his own is.

Exactly

 

[Zatara]

It's looking more and more like he wasn't the striker that the manager wanted in the summer.

I was expecting a few months of tinkering until a system was found which got the best out of him, but there's no sign of any effort being made on that front. I don't think that Silva has any use for a striker who can't play with his back to goal.

Im hopeful that its the same thing as when Cole joined United...

 

[Carlito]

Im hopeful that its the same thing as when Cole joined United...

Did he struggle there to begin with? It's a bit too far back for me to remember.

 

[Zatara]

Did he struggle there to begin with? It's a bit too far back for me to remember.

Ferguson basically tried to improve his all round game so he could hold the ball up and link play.

The united fans wondered what they had bought...he kept missing chances and seemed like Brett Angell.

I wonder if hes got Kean learning how to hold the ball up and link play in training...then giving him minutes where he can.

 

[BlueToff]

It's looking more and more like he wasn't the striker that the manager wanted in the summer.

I was expecting a few months of tinkering until a system was found which got the best out of him, but there's no sign of any effort being made on that front. I don't think that Silva has any use for a striker who can't play with his back to goal.

He has only ever played in a three or a two, in Italy. It was mental to bring him in as our main source of goals.

In fairness, we tried for Zaha, who I do think will have really been played either central or out wide meaning Rich would have gone up top earlier. But yeh, to lump all the pressure on him was harsh.

He'll come good. I've no doubt. But have we got the manager for it, not sure...

 

[Carlito]

Ferguson basically tried to improve his all round game so he could hold the ball up and link play.

The united fans wondered what they had bought...he kept missing chances and seemed like Brett Angell.

I wonder if hes got Kean learning how to hold the ball up and link play in training...then giving him minutes where he can.

Ah, fair enough. I suppose the difference here is that Silva knows he's only ever a few poor results away from being out the door, so his planning is understandably short-term.

I was suspicious that something was amiss when Kean wasn't put straight into the team and simply played until he starting scoring, a bit like Lampard did with Abraham. People will point to his age, but when you're a £30m striker at a club where the competition is substandard at best, you're there to start games.

 

[Zezti]

He's had plenty of games out wide for both Verona + Juve + Italy.

Its basically the same argument about whether Holgate was a CB or a RB.

There's playing out wide, and then there's being lost at the edge of the pitch near the half-way line in a 4-2-3-1 with Iwobi and Coleman taking up space around him.
There was only one moment where he was given the ball and space to run, and he had a decent attempt blocked. The lad has quality but its not being brought out.