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2019/20 Moise Kean

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dannyboy said:
As always when we sign players and they don´t perform the excuse that the set up isn´t right for them gets wheeled out. He´s had chances through the middle we and we´ve had had people saying he needs to be in a 4 4 2. Right now, I would bet wherever he is played he is going to struggle. That´s fine, he´s a young lad learning his way in the English game.
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Not for a lot of our fans it's not. The pitchforks are well and truly out.
 
Kenshin said:
As others have said, putting a player out of position and only offering them rare chances before scapegoating them is not the way the likes of Kean should be treated.

It annoys me no end (not aimed at you mate) , when new players get barely a sniff in the team and then everyone makes their mind up on them based on nothing.

I don't believe this take your chance idea is applicable anymore, certainly not at this club. Out of position , late sub, losing team etc that's not the scenario to prove yourself. Same as klassen, Sandro, vlasic before him

Given also the climate seems to venture towards we are about to sack another manager. Any new man coming in would probably build his team around Kean. Silva has him third choice and when he does get a chance it's nowhere near where he needs to play.
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...I really don’t see it like that and I want the lad to do so well. Last night was a great opportunity for him, I don’t get the ‘playing out of position’ point. He’s not a conventional winger and I’m sure he wasn’t expected to play as a conventional winger. Indeed, I think he attacked from wide positions during his time in Italy (but I might have that wrong).

The lad is getting a chance to stake a claim for a place and its up to him to grasp it. We are woefully inadequate in the central striker stakes. Silva will desperately want Kean to fill the void but he’s looking ineffective. i’m no Silva fan, but it’s not his fault.

He wasn’t a scapegoat last night, the change had to be made. We create getting behind opposition full backs, but in the first half we didn’t look capable of doing so. The Watford keeper wasn’t in the least busy. Richarlison or Kean needed to make way, but you don’t take off your main goal threat when you want a goal.
 
Was in the park end last night so had a good look at this lad. He is s big powerful lad. He has definitely got lots to learn. Not sure if he was acting on Silva's instructions but he stuck to the by-line. The full back just pushed on him and every time the midfield or Seamus got the ball Keane was stood next to the full back with no movement. The rare times he got the ball his first touch was terrible meaning that he was always struggling to keep the ball under control. Never seen any pace except the once when he was put through but he was easily caught by the Watford defence. And yes the whole team struggled in the first half so it was not just him
Good decision by Silva cos Walcott was a game changer for me.
Still young and can learn. I really hope this lad does well
 

Eggs said:
...I really don’t see it like that and I want the lad to do so well. Last night was a great opportunity for him, I don’t get the ‘playing out of position’ point. He’s not a conventional winger and I’m sure he wasn’t expected to play as a conventional winger. Indeed, I think he attacked from wide positions during his time in Italy (but I might have that wrong).

The lad is getting a chance to stake a claim for a place and its up to him to grasp it. We are woefully inadequate in the central striker stakes. Silva will desperately want Kean to fill the void but he’s looking ineffective. i’m no Silva fan, but it’s not his fault.

He wasn’t a scapegoat last night, the change had to be made. We create getting behind opposition full backs, but in the first half we didn’t look capable of doing so. The Watford keeper wasn’t in the least busy. Richarlison or Kean needed to make way, but you don’t take off your main goal threat when you want a goal.
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Isn't that akin to signing a creative midfielder for example and asking them to play DM and they struggle to create from their own half?

Or asking a giant centre back to play full back to stale a claim and they struggle with speed up and down the wing?

Do you see what I mean?
 
Kenshin said:
Isn't that akin to signing a creative midfielder for example and asking them to play DM and they struggle to create from their own half?

Or asking a giant centre back to play full back to stale a claim and they struggle with speed up and down the wing?

Do you see what I mean?
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99% of young players don't get the right to be played only in the position of their choice. In the minutes you are given, you have to make enough of an impression to force yourself in to the team however that looks. All top class Footballers are capable of playing multiple positions. Most top strikers you can think of have started their careers playing out wide or deeper as part of the midfield.

Mbappe, Griezmann, Suarez, Aubamayang, Firmino, Lacazette, Benzema, Lukaku, Higuain and Cavani all played in different areas of the pitch when they first broke through. Even DCL is a striker by trade but has had to make an impression out wide too. It doesn't just go for strikers either, loads of top players in other outfield positions started out playing in other positions, it's not something unheard of within Football.

I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that, given that we've been shocking all season and Kean has barely played for us, that he's not showing enough in training. If you disagree, that's fine, it's just one of many possible assumptions.

If we all agree that you earn game time based on your performances in training, and if he's not showing enough in training then it's reasonable to assume that's why Silva hasn't been giving him game time. The minutes he has given him, he hasn't exactly shone, and last night was a prime example of that. He came off and the team sprang into life with a bit more energy from Theo out there.

Now, if he's chomping at the bit as he should be, I refuse to believe that the reason why he played so badly last night was because he was stood in a different area of the pitch to that where he prefers. Nonsense.

It's people making excuses for him. We all want him to do well, but it's still fair to say that the lad needs to be much better when he's given these opportunities.
 
He's not a natural winger so he's useless out there. Dom had his footballing growth stunted by playing out wide and everyone thinks crap. When he got a run up front he was much better. I'm not saying he'll go on to be the league's top scorer but he could get 10-12 goals easily and would make a decent strike partner. Also, we don't play to his strengths he's a runner who likes to play on the shoulder of the defender and get in behind them.

The problem with Everton is that we don't trust youngsters and because we're usually struggling they don't get much game time therefore they struggle. Also, as fans, I believe we look at every youngster to be the next superstar and never really give them time to grow. Hey, they might not turn out great but at least give them a chance to progress instead of getting on their back as soon as they misplace one pass. Some of them might be 7 out of 10 players game in game out. Not bad!

Tom Davis. for example, scores 'that' goal against City and next thing you know he's supposed to be the next Lionel Messi even though Koeman came out in an interview and said that's not really Tom Davis. Now he's gets it every time he misplaces a pass or makes a bad decision despite not given a long enough run of games to be able to build up consistency and learn the game in order to make better decisions. It's funny now that Delph and Schniderlin are not quite that good that some fans feel Davis should be in the team. Some of us love to just put young player down because they're not an instant success. kean will go down the same path even though he's come from another country, doesn't know the language and is in a really really poor side but he'll get the 'He's s**t", "not good enough" rubbish some of our fans seem to splurt out without seeing the bigger picture.

I fear for Anthony Gordon if he gets in the team as soon as he has a couple of bad games there'll be a section of fans righting him off and getting on his back.
 

He was poor last night,as were Richarlason and DCL,when i seen the 3 of them playing I thought there would have been more inter change,making the Watford defence move out of position,unfortunately front line stayed so rigid
 
jaycee said:
He was poor last night,as were Richarlason and DCL,when i seen the 3 of them playing I thought there would have been more inter change,making the Watford defence move out of position,unfortunately front line stayed so rigid
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The whole team do that though, i have noticed that loads, so many times Digne will have the ball and there is no pass on because there is a complete lack of movement from others and they are all just standing in the 4-2-3-1 setup, so he ends up just hitting it upfield and straight to the other teams defenders/goalkeeper. The thing is that team movement is the sort of thing you work on in pre season when you have plenty of time to try things, even with a new manager i don't see us sorting this out mid season.
 
Simon Buttle said:
The whole team do that though, i have noticed that loads, so many times Digne will have the ball and there is no pass on because there is a complete lack of movement from others and they are all just standing in the 4-2-3-1 setup, so he ends up just hitting it upfield and straight to the other teams defenders/goalkeeper. The thing is that team movement is the sort of thing you work on in pre season when you have plenty of time to try things, even with a new manager i don't see us sorting this out mid season.
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Yeah I get that,the point was more about them 3 in particular though,all can play across the line and none of them were having any real joy,neither Richy or Kean were troubling their fullbacks and DLC wasnt having any success,I just thought moving around a bit for that 3 would have at least had the Watford defenders having to think about the game a bit
 

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