Morgan Schneiderlin

[TheHumbleEgg]

We've been over this before, you tedious bore. Sigurdsson would cost more than £30m if he was put up for sale in this window. You are using a straw man argument to WUM - pack it in please.

....it's funny though, because he's on about value for money & possible sell-on value (ignoring the fact sell-on value is irrelevant if the player purchased provides on-pitch value over x amount of years).

Seems to have totally forgotten that his beloved Roberto ballooned 13.5 beans on the OUMAR.

Dutch Boob, Iranian Tit, Russian crook....that's where he's coming from, that's where he'll stay...good old Davey.

If there's not a Spanish Ham on the managers desk or he's able to impart his varied experiences gleaned playing for Motherwell, Walsall and the like then he doesn't wanna know.

 

[andy4efc]

Mate, all the signings so far are looking like they are from a manager who is thinking short term. Look at the ages of them. We need, as you say, to be unearthing major talent for less than this. Walsh is supposedly here to do exactly that.

We have literally just signed a 20 year old. And Koeman has JUST started a 18 year old and 20 year old against Southampton.

That negative argument doesn't stand.

 

[MikeH72]

They've won 4 games out of 20 in the league mate this season, and sit near the bottom of the table, he isn't doing that good a job of winning game son his own really there is he?

Besic - injury prone prospect who is now 24
Gibson given a new contract as a promise by the ex manager
Cleverley - utter joke of a player
McCarthy - one good season in his career - another injury crock of a player
Barry - now 35 years old and obviously badly fading as a player

Thats exactly why we need another cm in mate, the current manager was left a centre midfield which was a train wreck in need of a total overhaul

as for the 'playmaker' - wake up mate, Koeman doesn't now and never will play a conventional number 10 which is what Siggurdson is, so you want us to pay about 25-30m for a player who won't fit into the managers system.

I'm actually convinced more than ever that your sat panicking we will actually have a large spend this January mate, as it will prove your theories wrong, and right now your getting preventitive shots in to prepare your next line of spin to keep the 'debate' going

Not watching football has clearly had an effect on his ability to WUM convincingly

 

[zzr45]

Hey guys what if we are massively over paying for Schneiderlin? Not sure if it's been brought up yet.

 

[DrEFC]

Are you actually comparing a player of quality like him to Schneiderlin?! Sigurdsson is a proven game changer of a player. He turns games and wins them on his own. £20M for him I could understand. £20M on another cm I cant...especially when the sell on will be a fraction of what he cost.

I think you're vastly overestimating siggy's ability. Not saying I wouldn't mind him here. Not for 30mil plus which is what they'd want

 

[bluestevon]

And there musty be more out there so why dont we go through that process for a player in a position that we're not desperate to fill this window and throw all the cash at a playmaker for further up the pitch and a second striker?

Because the manager and the DoF both seem to think that actually we do need a cm in mate, strangely they don't think the midfield we have currently is good enough - and i think 99% of blues agree with that

do we need other positions - ofc we do, the entire squad bar a few players needs a serious overhaul, because it was left in a terrible state and it will take time, you get the pieces available when they become available and the price is reasonable - which 20m or so for a experienced player - who was widely regarded as amongst the best for his position in the league before a poor move is.

 

[ianefc]

Mate, all the signings so far are looking like they are from a manager who is thinking short term. Look at the ages of them. We need, as you say, to be unearthing major talent for less than this. Walsh is supposedly here to do exactly that.

2 of the 6 signings we've made thus far under Koeman have been teenagers. That's 33%, that's an impressive figure. If we continue to buy at that ratio and in that age range, then I'd suggest we're covering all bases. Just chill out.

 

[TrixyStevens]

Obviously a certain poster knows nothing about football.

Schneiderlin will improve us tenfold. The man can run a game. As for the fee, its Monopoly money. Calm down.

 

[hetion]

This is getting ridiculous, I've had davek ignored for absolutely ages but for a few weeks now he's in every thread arguing with all and sundry so I can't avoid it anyway. Does GoT really need to be davek vs the world?

 

[Jacko93]

Mate, all the signings so far are looking like they are from a manager who is thinking short term. Look at the ages of them. We need, as you say, to be unearthing major talent for less than this. Walsh is supposedly here to do exactly that.

Or he feels that the talented youngsters are a year or two away and wants to bring in experienced players, who will improve the squad while making way for said youngsters in the future, all the while instilling the right professionalism into them on the training ground.

Whats to say that Walsh doesn't have a whole load of 'youngsters' on a list that we will target in the summer?


Never mind the fact that elsewhere your saying his signing isn't needed cause we have Barry in there, who's older than him.......

 

[Tree13]

....it's funny though, because he's on about value for money & possible sell-on value (ignoring the fact sell-on value is irrelevant if the player purchased provides on-pitch value over x amount of years).

Seems to have totally forgotten that his beloved Roberto ballooned 13.5 beans on the OUMAR, and 6m on Kone, and wages on McGeady and Alcaraz...

Added to your already very good point....

 

[Goat]

Mate, all the signings so far are looking like they are from a manager who is thinking short term. Look at the ages of them. We need, as you say, to be unearthing major talent for less than this. Walsh is supposedly here to do exactly that.

We have short term goals.

Why cant you grasp that?

 

[davek]

We didn't bring in Walsh to avoid nonsense fees. We have to buy more established players to make us better alongside potential players and upcoming youth. We are in dire need of better players than we currently have so established players is our first priority. Then over the years Walsh and co will be looking more so at potential. Mahrez and Kante and even Vardy were only players with potential which was soon realised. If we started buying just potential alone then the fees would be low but you know the fans would not accept it. Now it seems some are not excepting established players because we have to pay through the nose.

They'd accept it if top quality players were paid for and potential were being bought to supplement that. What we have at present is a number of established decent but not top quality players being bought (Williams, Bolassie, Schneiderlin) when we really should be getting top quality with the money laid down, and the potential side of things is practically non-existent.

Im utterly flummoxed as to wtf this club's signing policy is. It looks like the economics of the mad house.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Mate, all the signings so far are looking like they are from a manager who is thinking short term. Look at the ages of them. We need, as you say, to be unearthing major talent for less than this. Walsh is supposedly here to do exactly that.

Short term is fine though, in the short term anyway !

Short term success ( if we're successful ) brings rewards , both for the club and the manager. If that happens then our rewards can be reinvested. In the meantime, we're also signing young talent ( such as Calvert-Lewin and Lookman ) with an eye on the medium to longer term.

Your concerns are understandable, but they're ( hopefully ) outdated.
We'll only know for sure in three or four years time.

 

[davek]

They've won 4 games out of 20 in the league mate this season, and sit near the bottom of the table, he isn't doing that good a job of winning game son his own really there is he?

Besic - injury prone prospect who is now 24
Gibson given a new contract as a promise by the ex manager
Cleverley - utter joke of a player
McCarthy - one good season in his career - another injury crock of a player
Barry - now 35 years old and obviously badly fading as a player

Thats exactly why we need another cm in mate, the current manager was left a centre midfield which was a train wreck in need of a total overhaul

as for the 'playmaker' - wake up mate, Koeman doesn't now and never will play a conventional number 10 which is what Siggurdson is, so you want us to pay about 25-30m for a player who won't fit into the managers system.

I'm actually convinced more than ever that your sat panicking we will actually have a large spend this January mate, as it will prove your theories wrong, and right now your getting preventitive shots in to prepare your next line of spin to keep the 'debate' going

You're having a laff. Is Sigurdsson supposed to haul them off the foot of the table by himself? Oh well, in that case then Gueye didnt do it for Villa so lets send him back eh?