Move Over Steve Round - I'm the New Tactician !!! -- THT

[wellillwill]

You know things are bad when people seriously start disussing going to three at the back...

 

[The Holy Trinity]

Fairly good shout right there.

I personally wouldn't fancy the 3-5-2. When we're on the back foot, we'd be swamped. We'd have a back line of five dropping deep, and only Fellaini in the hole to break up attacks. It'd be fairly easy to bypass Arteta and Pienaar who aren't exactly the most disciplined in defensive work.

So for me, 4-4-2. Neville, Jagielka, Distin, Baines. Coleman, Fellaini, Rodwell, Pienaar. Saha, Beckford (given Yak is going.) Rodwell and Fellaini are both true box to box'ers and can take turns dropping off and pushing on, as they have done before Arteta came back in and shagged the balance up completely.

Fair enough point but I know that Moyes doesn't think we have the personel to play 4 in midfield. Looking at ways around that so for 352 could do the job. We often have 6 at the back anyway but with just one outlet. But this is good healthy discussion ....

 

[The Holy Trinity]

Why is Heitinga a genuine snide?

As for the team, not for me.

Fair enough mate..

 

[little curly alan ball]

Fair enough mate..

No . Actually , NOT fair enough , kid .

Good enough is an alternative , not decry without any counter argument .

Thats just fukn lazy , Cocka .

 

[The Holy Trinity]

love the thinking there tht!

but at the mo arteta wouldnt get close to any side i would put out!!! i'd have fooking hibbert in for him at the mo!! at least he would bloody fight!

Fair enough Fozzy. i think I'm still holding out the hope that he re-discovers the form we know he's capable of ! I'd probably give Rodwell or Bily a go instead of Tets at the moment.

 

[The Holy Trinity]

Neville at CB? I'd rather play Duffy.

I was only putting him in there not to mark to be honest but to sweep. And only because Johnny doesn't fancy it at the moment. I'd love Duffy to be given a chance but don't think Moyes would risk it.

 

[The Holy Trinity]

It's a decent idea mate, but who would score the goals in that team? Would be very reliant on Saha and Beckford.

I know Browns, just we haven't really got anyone else at the moment other than Gueye or Vaughan. Don't think Silva is up to it yet and unless we win Euromillions then no money to spend either !!

 

[Tubey]

Tubey, my point was at the moment Heitinga a) is injured b) doesn't want to play for us. If Joe Yobo was still here then obviously he'd be in there. The Neville thing is that he could sweep up and has played there for us on a couple of occasions. I'd love to think that Duffy could play there but don't think Moyesie would chance it. Also Hibbo has played Centre half a couple of times and I think I'd rather have Neville there. Obviously, if Johnny wants to have a go for us again then he'd be straight in that line up. Hope that clears the Neville thing up !!

There's nothing to clear up mate, I'm just discussing tactics I can see the logic in Neville being there, it just wouldn't be my choice personally.

It's good to see Evertonians thinking constructively about the team.

 

[The Holy Trinity]

No . Actually , NOT fair enough , kid .

Good enough is an alternative , not decry without any counter argument .

Thats just fukn lazy , Cocka .

No I mean he's entitled to his opinion. I've set out why I think it should be considered and all those saying 442 yes I'd love him to play that way. However, the REALITY is that he doesn't trust us with 4 midfielders !!!! Hence the THREE at the back ! But if people aren't in favour then that's sound but one thing is for sure what we are doing at the moment ain't working anymore. Imagine us coming out against Spurs or whovever and playing a different way ! They'd take 15 minutes to get over the shock of Everton not playing 451 !!!

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Because he's clearly not arsed. I stood by him during the whole "I'd ride my bike to Barca" thing, because well there's nothing wrong with ambition, and Barca are Barca. But he's on a big **** off pay packet, and in all of his games this season he's not looked arsed at all. He's given the ball away nonchalantly, he's shown none of the passion he showed last year, and he was even smiling once when he was subbed off. Last year he was a fighter, and he was up for it. This year he wants off, and is letting everyone know it. I bet THT and LCAB will probably agree with me too.

Someone said that after the West Brom game and having watched it again, it was complete and utter bollocks, and just shows you how certain sections of our support will make up things to drive a player out of the club. Embarassing really, but not surprising.

It just seems very Matt Damon esque criticism to me. He's had a number of niggling injuries, there was even a report in the Dutch press about him going to see a specialist about something. None of that gets taken into consideration, it didn't even get a mention. The fact that he was going off with cramp tells me it's a physical thing. Lets not forget that he had a similar problem when he first joined the club, so his supposed 'bad attitude' isn't a definite in my eyes.

That, and he's playing out of position, a position he has very limited experience in when you look at his career. He played well there when Arteta was flying alongside him, but that hasn't been the case this season, and he's clearly struggled. He's been poor, there's no getting away from that, I certainly don't want him in our starting eleven at present, but to make him out to be this definite, ultimate snide going by rumours on internet forums is madness in my opinion. The same people will tell you Arteta (this season) and Cahill (last season) aren't arsed, two of the most honest, hardworking players we have at the club - a player like Heitinga hasn't got a chance really.

Why would any player embarrass themselves and purposely play poorly to get a move? It just doesn't make sense to me. I think there's a major difference between someone struggling and someone who isn't arsed at all. I think back to the last Stoke game where he was much better in terms of performance. What, did he decide that was it? I'll have a good game and then stop trying again...

 

[fozzy]

Fair enough Fozzy. i think I'm still holding out the hope that he re-discovers the form we know he's capable of ! I'd probably give Rodwell or Bily a go instead of Tets at the moment.

honest now mate! but i pray he gets his "thing" back every day on my knees diont think he's listening though!

 

[The Holy Trinity]

There's nothing to clear up mate, I'm just discussing tactics I can see the logic in Neville being there, it just wouldn't be my choice personally.

It's good to see Evertonians thinking constructively about the team.

Agreed mate. He wouldn't be my first choice but I was using the present situation at the club to create a different option. If Heitinga goes then we might get a replacement centre half and he could slot in there !! Maybe Samba or someone like that.

 

[Tubey]

Agreed mate. He wouldn't be my first choice but I was using the present situation at the club to create a different option. If Heitinga goes then we might get a replacement centre half and he could slot in there !! Maybe Samba or someone like that.

Samba would be fantastic, just to provide a different option from set pieces too. Fellaini is oddly ineffective and we rely far too much on Cahill.

Side needs a bit of bite about it too. It's all very well having the Baines/Colemans/Artetas/Pienaars of this world buzzing around ankles, but we need the muscle to back it up. Stoke taught us a physical lesson today, and West Ham bullied Cahill out of the game too.

 

[little curly alan ball]

There's nothing to clear up mate, I'm just discussing tactics I can see the logic in Neville being there, it just wouldn't be my choice personally.

It's good to see Evertonians thinking constructively about the team.

So , now Im not a good Evertonian ...???

You SURE you wanna take it THERE , lid ..???

 

[The Holy Trinity]

Samba would be fantastic, just to provide a different option from set pieces too. Fellaini is oddly ineffective and we rely far too much on Cahill.

Side needs a bit of bite about it too. It's all very well having the Baines/Colemans/Artetas/Pienaars of this world buzzing around ankles, but we need the muscle to back it up. Stoke taught us a physical lesson today, and West Ham bullied Cahill out of the game too.

Me and LCAB were saying this before that maybe we need to break up this side a bit and give it a bit more bite. We've undoubtedly got a talented squad but are not getting enough out of them. The balance aint great so a couple of additions would be great but it comes down to cash. If we sold say Heitinga, Yak (I don't want him to go but think he will) and Vaughan then we could maybe add a couple to change the dynamics of the team. We'll have to wait and see though mate.