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Moyes linked with Villa and Spurs

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Agree Bourneblue:

I'd characterise it as - some of our "fans" having a very low opinion of the club (and themselves) - self loathing. Such as Kenadablue/Davek etc



And that many Villa fans are completely CLUELESS about what THE BOTTOM LINE REALLY IS, i.e. debt growing at a ridiculous rate at Villa

and thinking that they could tempt him which is a load of nonsense since the Villa business model is non-existent.

Where are the "mythical Villa millions" going to come from to fund this Moyes-slurge?

Fantasy Island?

Says the bloke who before January was all lovey-dovey with Kenwright and saying how well run we are...

Then the accounts rolled in and you could see we were a ship slowly sinking, putting hand to mouth, culling the squad to pay off wages.

The tune suddenly changed.

I dont have a low opinion of the club. I have a low opinion of the board who I dont relate to Everton FC.
 
i love the fact that everton fans know so much about finances, even of other clubs. its a pity the businessmen on the board don't seem to have the same knowledge. we may have had better deals on ,kits,catering and even the kirkby pit ,which we wasted god knows how much time,effort and money on.
the simple facts are these. maybe moyes will leave,maybe he wont. thats not the issue. its the fact that even when villa have their fire sale, and there debts grow, they will still outspend us for players. why? because our transfer policy is on par with blooody tranmere. maybe its because i can remember when we could compete at the top end of the table for signings, i find competing with second division clubs (championship) just f####king wrong.
 
Safe to assume it was Royal Birkdale.....won £400 in friendly bets from stockbroker/legal type pals and laced them easily....quick rubdown from the stunning massuese that has her eyes on him at the club just after....... then back into the convertible to drive quickly back to the pc to educate Villa fans on finance.
ha ha ,be nice lar wouldnt it ,played me self up at mere .no rubdown ,or convertible ,thou chango
 
Who was talking about those fair play rules? I was talking about what the debt would look like when you've got current debt, a to stadium rebuild, transfers, and expanding the marketting arm of the club.

Its irrelevant. The Fair Play rules - mean you can or cant play in Europe and earn additional revenue.

This means if the likes of Villa don't start breaking even they can't play in Europe. They're currently losing annually what can be covered externally under the regulation. This means they're in serious trouble.

Incidentally Everton are budgeting for less than that (with £10million to spare) over a three year period.

If you're thinking that in order for this to happen it wont take years/decades and we'll stay debt free and turn into how Arsenal are ran all of a sudden then....god bless you sir.

And again, you didnt answer the question that you contradicted yourself on...Are we an attractive club? You say we ARE but Bill wants ££££ more than people are willing to pay on top of a new stadium, transfers etc. That to me makes us unattractive.

Its all about the price. We ARE attractive. I've told you this time and again. But you're confusing what Bill et al are quoting with - a lack of interest.

Elstone himself had to back track two days after he went on his blog and claimed no one was interested. Big fo par by him.

Its all about the price.

But first someone has to buy the club and raise its value....whens that gonna happen? And a percentage of the additional revenue? Where's that come from? Oh yeah, the £200million the new buyer has pumped into the club to rebuild the stadium and market the brand...to which he'll wait a good 10 years to see back and we hope to christ he got that money interest free...

It wouldn't take 10 years since under the regulations - although its monitored - it's not restricted under the regualtions. He/she could do that all in one year if they wished or two. And no one would bat an eyelid. Since its on INFRASTRUCTURE.

Infrastructure to raise the turnover at the club. That turnover increase would lead to more value and a greater chance of profitablitiy. Its the fortuitous circle.

Villa's debts are such - that they simply won't be able to get into that circle for years - unlike as you claim - EVERTON!!!


Go back to the Scudamore interview this season. He's not sweating over it even when Chelsea and Citeh have spent £100million together this season.

I don't need to. Scudamore is an opportunist liar who's hand was forced by UEFA. UEFA and the EU commission view the Premier League as the biggest debt offenders.

He had to wheel something out to try and steal their thunder. Which he hasn't. Its purely about image. He's not letting on the real worries they have, since he's lobbying to weaken things. But that's not going to happen.




When did I say they were in a better position financially? Where? Oh, that's because I didnt.

You're repeatedly implying it. Along with others on here.

"Everton are going into administration" - nonsense.


What I said was that Lerner and Villa can easily get out of their situation and have more to offer in terms of revenue, stadium, location, the fact they're the biggest club in their city etc that he can either fix the problem himself, or even sell up sharpish to make their books better off. Reason being, is he is a better business man than Kenwright.

Everton on the other hand cannot offer the above to potential investors/buyers due to rising costs that, with what you put, will take a long time to see anything back from. And if we finished where Villa finished this season...we would be in the **** big time financially.

Rubbish. They're more locked into a business model that isn't working than Everton is.

By the time he gets costs under control they'll be £200million + in debt.

Kenwright must have something up his sleeve to change the business model at Everton as theirs no reason for him to remain otherwise. Since ultimately he'll never get the price he's asking above that currently for otherwise.


But still Villa's financial position is getting worse at SIX TIMES the rate Everton's is.

If you think that that is a better position or investment than Everton then you want your head feeling.


Self loath all you want. Villa will be loathing when it goes belly up.
 
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Says the bloke who before January was all lovey-dovey with Kenwright and saying how well run we are...

Then the accounts rolled in and you could see we were a ship slowly sinking, putting hand to mouth, culling the squad to pay off wages.

The tune suddenly changed.

I dont have a low opinion of the club. I have a low opinion of the board who I dont relate to Everton FC.

I can say that Everton's position is far from perfect. But its certainly better than Villa's.

Anyone who reckon's Lerner's all that would prostitute themselves for anything. Even Venkys. And that says something.



Villa's ship is going down at a rate of knots. With the stern under the water now.


Everton still have time to bale the boat out.

Its closer than I would like, but its certainly not Villa's CALAMITOUS position.


I said it once and I'll say it again. Anyone thinking Moyes would be in the money at Villa needs their head feeling!
 

I can say that Everton's position is far from perfect. But its certainly better than Villa's.

Anyone who reckon's Lerner's all that would prostitute themselves for anything. Even Venkys. And that says something.



Villa's ship is going down at a rate of knots. With the stern under the water now.


Everton still have time to bale the boat out.

Its closer than I would like, but its certainly not Villa's CALAMITOUS position.


I said it once and I'll say it again. Anyone thinking Moyes would be in the money at Villa needs their head feeling!
fook villa hes not going there end of ,ill have 5 grand with anyone ,whitout sounding like a knobhead .how was ye golf
 
Its irrelevant. The Fair Play rules - mean you can or cant play in Europe and earn additional revenue.

This means if the likes of Villa don't start breaking even they can't play in Europe. They're currently losing annually what can be covered externally under the regulation. This means they're in serious trouble.

Incidentally Everton are budgeting for less than that (with £10million to spare) over a three year period.

But that wasnt my point and you've dodged it again. Forget Europe because we wont be in it anytime soon.

Someone comes in, they sink £200million into the club on rebuilds etc. The club still has £200million of debt. You're talking about self-staining - that takes time and patience...something any buyer nowdays doesnt have. And this is without buying players.

Nothing to do with fair play regs.


Its all about the price. We ARE attractive. I've told you this time and again. But you're confusing what Bill et al are quoting with - a lack of interest.

Elstone himself had to back track two days after he went on his blog and claimed no one was interested. Big fo par by him.

Its all about the price.

So....we arent attractive then? If I've got £20quid, a £30 pair of trabs aint going to look attractive - oh and the additional costs of keeping them clean, new laces, in-soles, is gonna be more than my £20 quid.


It wouldn't take 10 years since under the regulations - although its monitored - it's not restricted under the regualtions. He/she could do that all in one year if they wished or two. And no one would bat an eyelid. Since its on INFRASTRUCTURE.

Infrastructure to raise the turnover at the club. That turnover increase would lead to more value and a greater chance of profitablitiy. Its the fortuitous circle.

Villa's debts are such - that they simply won't be able to get into that circle for years - unlike as you claim - EVERTON!!!

You're taking ifs and maybes and guess work that you have no foundation but your opinion of what the club can do. But your time frame is well off. How long did it take Arsenal to be how they are? And you expect it to be done overnight? Oh, and arent Citeh doing the same thing now, developing houses around the area?

We havent even begun anything. Years mate. Decades for us.

I don't need to. Scudamore is an opportunist liar who's hand was forced by UEFA. UEFA and the EU commission view the Premier League as the biggest debt offenders.

He had to wheel something out to try and steal their thunder. Which he hasn't. Its purely about image. He's not letting on the real worries they have, since he's lobbying to weaken things. But that's not going to happen.


Your opinion of the feller. But he's the one who talks to UEFA who are over-viewing the regulations, he's the one who keeps the league in line with them. He says its fine...its fine so the likes of Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Citeh and Arsenal will all be the biggest draws in the Champions League for years to come.


You're repeatedly implying it. Along with others on here.

"Everton are going into administration" - nonsense.

When did I say that? Again, making up things to satisfy you're own logic.

I said we'd be in the **** financially if we finished in the bottom half of the table. You cant even say that we'd be fine if that happened.


Rubbish. They're more locked into a business model that isn't working than Everton.

By the time he gets costs under control they'll be £200million + in debt.

Kenwright must have something up his sleeve to change the business model at Everton as theirs no reason for him to remain otherwise. Since ultimately he'll never get the price he's asking above that currently for otherwise.


But still Villa's financial position is getting worse at SIX TIMES the rate Everton's is.

If you think that that is a better position or investment than Everton then you want your head feeling.


Self loath all you want. Villa will be loathing when it goes belly up.

Guess work again in regards to Kenwright having something "up his sleeve".

I've never debated that Villa's financial situation is better than ours. Its not.

But they are more attractive than we are which you still havent defended. They have the stadium, the location, the image of being the biggest in their city, still have untapped revenue streams and make more turnover than we do.

They can easily impliment anything that you suggest in regards to our club. They can also sell up quicker and more successfully than we can because...Lerner is a better business man than Kenwright.

For someone who's quick to slap up facts and figures, you have just thrown up a load of ifs and maybes of what Everton could do...but forgetting where the club and the owners in charge dont look like changing anytime soon.

And no, I dont think Moyes would have million upon millions to spend....

But Im sure as hell think that Lerner would sell him the plan, the future etc of Villa more so than Kenwright can do with Everton. He would also lob in a few bob when needed - that odd £5million player Moyes wanted? Im sure Lerner would spot him that where at Everton he'd have no chance.
 
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Some ace spinning in here, i feel a little sorry for Villa fans to be fair - the good times are over there - they have really been run in the ground. Sad in a way.

I see little difference between Learner and Hick and Gillet if im honest, except that maybe Liverpool are a money making juganaut were Villa are not. It wont be easy to patch things up there when it goes ker put.
 
Guess work again in regards to Kenwright having something "up his sleeve".

I've never debated that Villa's financial situation is better than ours. Its not.

But they are more attractive than we are which you still havent defended. They have the stadium, the location, the image of being the biggest in their city, still have untapped revenue streams and make more turnover than we do.

It's just common sense mate: Their revenue is greater, they have a plan in operation right now to reduce wages taking up the majority of that, and they have a billionaire owner who's proven he'll back a manager (a sensible one next time).

There's no reasoning with him though.

*sigh*
 
Some ace spinning in here, i feel a little sorry for Villa fans to be fair - the good times are over there - they have really been run in the ground. Sad in a way.

I see little difference between Learner and Hick and Gillet if im honest, except that maybe Liverpool are a money making juganaut were Villa are not. It wont be easy to patch things up there when it goes ker put.

Neiler in the house!

What should Damon say next mate? He's been waiting for instructions.
 

Neiler in the house!

What should Damon say next mate? He's been waiting for instructions.

That's a bit unfair..

I think Damon handles himself well in a debate.. Can the same be said for you? (I think so) but comments like that ^ says otherwise.
 
It's just common sense mate: Their revenue is greater, they have a plan in operation right now to reduce wages taking up the majority of that, and they have a billionaire owner who's proven he'll back a manager (a sensible one next time).

There's no reasoning with him though.

*sigh*

When you say it really quick it almost makes sense, see you later:

Milner
Young
Downing
Reo Cooker
Carew

Wonder if these sums will be used to pay down the debt, who do they owe money to again?

Why does a billionaire owner need to sell his best players? Are his loans interst free as has been stated? Why has he transfered club assets to his own holding company? Why does a billionaire owner allow his club to borrow from banks? Why is the debt in the name of Aston Villa football club to be paid back to Randy Learner (billionaire)? If it looks/smells like a rat and likes cheese it prob is a rat.

The club cant function without making a loss, which is worrying for them in the sense, that as the Villa supporter was saying they could pay the debt over 20 years - yes that right 2031 when Villa are back in the black - if they borrowed nothing else of course - which they will becuase they have to.
 
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When you say it really quick it almost makes sense, see you later:

Milner
Young
Downing
Reo Cooker
Carew

Why does a billionaire owner need to sell his best players? Are his loans interst free as has been stated? Why has he transfered club assets to his own holding company? Why does a billionaire owner allow his club to borrow from banks? Why is the debt in the name of Aston Villa football club to be paid back to Randy Learner (billionaire)? If it looks, smells like a rat and likes cheese it prob is a rat.

Possibly a domestic gerbil though? Can't be do sure.
 

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