Moyes linked with Villa and Spurs

[GrandOldTeam]

Blowing it well out of proportion there, Dan. Villa only have to drop back to a wage bill of approx. 60% to start breaking even again, down from 80%+, whilst Lerner has blown absolute shedloads of money on players over his tenure. All they're doing now is returning to pre-Lerner levels of finance, which was still better than Everton.

Martin O'Neill basically spent multi-millions on relative garbage, Lerner hasn't seen a return so he's scaling back. The only difference between Villa and Spurs is that Levy and co. have seen improvement on the pitch whilst Villa haven't, with only a 6th-placed finish to show for their blown cash.

Rumours of Villa's demise is greatly exaggerated. Indeed, the sale of Young in the Summer with the cash injected into backing the wage budget will steady them almost completely, whilst still being able to outspend Everton with ease.

The difference with Villa and Everton's board... Lerner has thrown £40m a year at Villa in player purchases and running costs, Grantchester/Green are impeccably invisible.

There's wealth, and then there's wealth in football.

He hasn't. The figures you'll Google are sensationalist nonsense.

Either way, what he has spent is mute in this point of Moyes. He's stopped. In good time too. As wages account for nearly 90% turnover. I'd speculate he's more likely to sell than to invest any more.

 

[chicoazul]

I'm sick of having to explain financial basics to idiots. You're all wrong.

This is a diagram of Villa's current fiscal state.

 

[EFCNIK]

I'm sick of having to explain financial basics to idiots. You're all wrong.

This is a diagram of Villa's current fiscal state.

LOOOOL if I could give you more rep I would x

 

[davek]

Hang on here a second lads, Learner is chargeing intrest on the loans he has made to Villa. They are looseing 40-50 mill a season while he continues to lend them money, the words Hicks and Gillet come to mind is it really any different to that model. Intrestingly there are conditions Villa have to meet to repay these loans with the first due to be paid back in 2019.

Whats 2% intrest on a 100 odd million over a minimum of ten years. Thats before the Turnover to wages ratio of 80% - if they go down they are finsihed.

Ill leave the financial fair play thing but with a w/t ratio like that, and looseing 40 -50 mill a season things arent looking great.

This club is part of Lerner's portfolio of business interests, he has no motive in trashing it. He'll walk away with a profit on Villa when he sells it on eventually. To do that he'll have to keep it in the top flight minimum. If he starts saddling it with debt repayment the club cant handle, then that status is threatened and with it any potential sale. That wont happen.

In short: this debt wont be the club's problem it'll be any future owners to take on. Dont forget, he got Villa for £68M from Ellis. A steal....which is why he went nuts handing money to Martin O'Fail to waste. When the next round of buyouts occur he'd shift them, get his money back - and then some.

 

[Dublintoff]

I'm sick of having to explain financial basics to idiots. You're all wrong.

This is a diagram of Villa's current fiscal state.

Ye mar forgot to put her gnashers in!

 

[chicoazul]

Ye mar forgot to put her gnashers in!

Gnashers? It's not a photo mate it's an in depth financial graph which has closed the debate on this thread.

If you're seeing hidden meanings then you really need to see a shrink.

 

[Matt Damon]

This thread it like a Chicoazul wet dream.

Daveks a tit. A Nick Barmby tit.

 

[Hilga]

He hasn't. The figures you'll Google are sensationalist nonsense.

Either way, what he has spent is mute in this point of Moyes. He's stopped. In good time too. As wages account for nearly 90% turnover. I'd speculate he's more likely to sell than to invest any more.

moot. the point is moot.

 

[Dublintoff]

Gnashers? It's not a photo mate it's an in depth financial graph which has closed the debate on this thread.

If you're seeing hidden meanings then you really need to see a shrink.

I hear ye.

She must be a pro, id imagine its better without the dentures.

 

[EFCNIK]

Ey, no one talk about people's mar's. Phenom will start crywanking again.

 

[Matt Damon]

This club is part of Lerner's portfolio of business interests, he has no motive in trashing it. He'll walk away with a profit on Villa when he sells it on eventually. To do that he'll have to keep it in the top flight minimum. If he starts saddling it with debt repayment the club cant handle, then that status is threatened and with it any potential sale. That wont happen.

In short: this debt wont be the club's problem it'll be any future owners to take on. Dont forget, he got Villa for £68M from Ellis. A steal....which is why he went nuts handing money to Martin O'Fail to waste. When the next round of buyouts occur he'd shift them, get his money back - and then some.

More Ed Balls style economics. There's always another bailout it doesn't matter about debt etc etc.

Another round of buyouts? You're defo the glue lad.

If you think someone would pay 230million for Villa you're defo sniffing more glue than Nick Barmby was

 

[kenada_blue]

More Ed Balls style economics. There's always another bailout it doesn't matter about debt etc etc.

Another round of buyouts? You're defo on glue the glue lad.

If you think someone would pay 230million for Villa you're defo sniffing more glue than Nick Barmby was

They'd pay more for them than us. Lerner would pull out and sell easier than kenwright and everton, so whoever is managing them will get funds to play with.

Aren't villa in the top 20 biggest earners in European football based on last season?

I've always said Lerner spent lots in a small period of time holing to get villa into the champs league. Almost worked, but now they're trying to claw themselves back.

If villa came in for moyes, it's not crazy he'd go. They have options. We don't.

Spurs won't have him either. Too negative a coach.

 

[Matt Damon]

Deloittes figures are UNAUDITED (acknowledged with a disclaimer in their report) and wrong.

They put in a sponsorship deal that had a three year figure in one year

And you've basically not read a single thing on this thread.


So you're wrong and misinformed and living in denial/ignorance about Lerner.

Options? Youre havin a laugh.

To break even Lerner would have to sell Villa for TWICE what Everton's asking price is, and four times what he paid for it.

 

[Philw]

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The tit.

I love irony

One of the fundamental rules of finance is that you cannot owe money to yourself. Lerner owns Villa, and Villa owe Lerner. Therefore, it's essentially what is known as a "Gift Loan" repayable on the exit of the chairman (incidentally, Everton owe a similar loan to Kenwright). The worst case scenario at Villa is that they enter an Everton-esque style in the transfer market with a break even strategy, and reduce their wage bill - which would still exceed that of Everton.

It's all relative, basically. Villa could lose £50m a year for the next 10 years and still be financially healthier than Everton.

Everton aren't stable. We walk a tightrope over oblivion, but because we have remained on that tightrope for 15 years people mistake that for "stability".

You have to be pretty stable to stay on a tightrope that long!!

I just had to offer this up again.

Knee jerk?

What like putting Heskey and half their players on £60,000 a week?

Sorry, did someone redefine 'Knee Jerk' and not tell me about it??? :huh:

Deloittes figures are UNAUDITED (acknowledged with a disclaimer in their report) and wrong.

They put in a sponsorship deal that had a three year figure in one year

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Yeah, you've only said that 8 times... and isn't the difference only 6mil odd? Not sure how you got from £109m to £96m? Or why we should believe you over D&T, inaudited or not?

 

[Dylan]

This club is part of Lerner's portfolio of business interests, he has no motive in trashing it. He'll walk away with a profit on Villa when he sells it on eventually. To do that he'll have to keep it in the top flight minimum. If he starts saddling it with debt repayment the club cant handle, then that status is threatened and with it any potential sale. That wont happen.

In short: this debt wont be the club's problem it'll be any future owners to take on. Dont forget, he got Villa for £68M from Ellis. A steal....which is why he went nuts handing money to Martin O'Fail to waste. When the next round of buyouts occur he'd shift them, get his money back - and then some.

Don't think you can get away with slipping a sly dig at someone in the middle of a serious post. I see what you are up to there.



Amazingly, I have never even thought of calling that tool that. Bravo!