Moyes Potential Replacement

[royalblue66]

I for one want volatility

I wouldn't mind a few smashed cups and saucers

 

[Muppet Basher]

.....I reckon Bill is reading this thread to gauge supporter opinion and thats why he can't make his mind up. Bill its quite simple, Roberto is the man for us. Sign him up.

..I reckon Bill is reading this thread to gauge supporter opinion and thats why he can't make his mind up. Bill its quite simple, VITOR is the man for us. Sign him up

 

[Hibbosculturedrightboot]

I wouldn't mind a few smashed cups and saucers

I don't think he does that, he just comes across as stressed and unstable, which impacts upon his players negatively.... Maybe not so good.

 

[Jags..class]

Yes Martinez knows the Prem really well in the sense of delivering poor results, flirting relegation every year before finally running out of luck.

This season gone QPR were riddled with issues and Reading were very poor (still annoys me our games against them) so Wigan only had to do better than the rest to avoid that last relegation spot and they failed.

Can talk up certain Martinez qualities but in respect of the Premier League it is absolutely shocking.

Lets be fair here, his transfer budget was poor compared to the rivals, Sunderland and Villa spend decent money on a striker this season, 15 million on Flecher and 10 million on Adam Johnson, Wigan also lost some good players such as Moses, Diame and even lost Rodellega. The last two went on a free. He didn't have much money so he had to replace them with less money again. Newcastle went out and brought players in Jan to help them.
No wonder Wigan went down.

 

[Goat]

I don't think he does that, he just comes across as stressed and unstable, which impacts upon his players negatively.... Maybe not so good.

And you know this how?

How many times did you go in the Schalke dressing room mate?

 

[keverton]

Fellaini 70k, Heitinga 65k, Moyes 65k, Neville 50k.

Happy to help mate.

now my maths are not the best but assuming we get rid of heitinga that's over 9 million a season right there saved, ps I know people come in to take up those wages but still

 

[Hibbosculturedrightboot]

And you know this how?

How many times did you go in the Schalke dressing room mate?

Reports in the German media... In German language though, so either need to read German or get the reports translated...

 

[Christiffa25]

I want Martinez now, I settled on him last week but now I actually do want him here. I'm not blind to the fact there's a risk element with but there is with the other two aswell.

He is one of the new breed of managers and I'm intergued to see what he could do here with his philosophy of football and a much better quality of player. He's good in the transfer market at Wigan and if he steps up with Everton there's no reason not to be as good with a better pool of players to pick from.

At some point managers with promise like Martinez need to be given that chance to excell. He's not the first of some now very high profile managers to be relegated with small clubs earlier in there career's (Wenger klopp Rafael ect) And his wife is Scottish!!

Come on bobby....time to step up at the people's club!

 

[Hibbosculturedrightboot]

And you know this how?

How many times did you go in the Schalke dressing room mate?

PS MARTINEZ IN!

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I want Martinez now, I settled on him last week but now I actually do want him here. I'm not blind to the fact there's a risk element with but there is with the other two aswell.

He is one of the new breed of managers and I'm intergued to see what he could do here with his philosophy of football and a much better quality of player. He's good in the transfer market at Wigan and if he steps up with Everton there's no reason not to be as good with a better pool of players to pick from.

is he?!

 

[neonleon]

if Ragnick is so good why hasn't he got a German club? seems to me he has past his sell by date in Germany as many managers have in this country, Alex Mcleish, Owen Coyle, Alan Curbishley to name a few, surely someone in this category is not good enough for Everton? just because he's German he seems more attractive to a lot on this forum, in my opinion he or even Pereria would be too much of a gamble, a costly mistake Everton cannot afford to make is appointing the wrong manager, Roberto Martinez is the sensible choice, if we don't take him, Malaga, Real Rociedad or another premier league team will and we may live to regret this costly mistake, with Martinez as manager the likeliest outcome is that we will not deteriorate, with the other two there is a higher probabililty we might, for god sake Pereria fans there is only 2 teams in Portugal, I could probably manage Porto and they'd challenge for the league, he's no better a proposition than Lennon!!!

if Ragnick is so good why hasn't he got a German club? He has. he's director of football for Salzburg. Why hasn't Martinez got a club? Because he didn't want to manage Wigan in the second division where his skillful management left them.

eems to me he has past his sell by date in Germany as many managers have in this country, Alex Mcleish, Owen Coyle, Alan Curbishley to name a few, surely someone in this category is not good enough for Everton? There's several assumptions within this statement, as well as a straw man argument. Comparisons are spurious. Neither of the above names had the success that Rangnick has had (I can only go on published figures, I don't know this manager any more than most). His recent clubs have been promoted. Most recently he took Schalke to second in the bundesliga and a semi final of the champions league. Don't remember Owen Coyle doing that.

Just because he's German... As the English are well known Germanophiles.

Why is Martinez the sensible choice? Why won't we deteriorate under Martinez? Why did Wigan? (a club of similar financial resources- and before you cite our improved squad, don't forget the manager is the most important facet. Newcastle's squad was top notch this season, but I knew they'd struggle as they had a clueless manager)? Paul Jewell did a better job. Why don't we appoint him?

 

[Goat]

Reports in the German media... In German language though, so either need to read German or get the reports translated...

I speak perfect German, do you have a link to these 'reports' please.

 

[Tree13]

What are the odds of having this conversation with someone on a Everton forum and that person just happens to be a solicitor with very close ties to barrister's and brief's that have a great knowledge of Harry redknapps case in London.

Who'd of thought eh!?
Not that I doubt what your saying of course.

Very close ties? I said no such thing.

Barristers and solicitors discuss each others' cases constantly, once the case in question has finished. It's called peer review. The cases get reported in detail in all the legal journals, much like medical procedures and operations get written about in medical publications. Many then get used as teaching material on undergraduate and postgraduate law courses.

I work in criminal law, so many of my colleagues and contacts are criminal barristers; the Redknapp case gets discussed a lot whenever the subjects of fraud and tax evasion come up. The general consensus among the profession is that the Prosecutor dropped the ball.

By all means disagree with all the above and go with your gut feeling, but I'm not suggesting any exclusive insider knowledge here. It's essentially no different to a bunch of sparkies discussing a colleague's approach to wiring up an office.

 

[Hibbosculturedrightboot]

I speak perfect German, do you have a link to these 'reports' please.

Google "ralf rangnick personal probleme". Plenty there. (probleme is not a typo, this throws up the german langauge news for him)

 

[CardinalSin]

Lets be fair here, his transfer budget was poor compared to the rivals, Sunderland and Villa spend decent money on a striker this season, 15 million on Flecher and 10 million on Adam Johnson, Wigan also lost some good players such as Moses, Diame and even lost Rodellega. The last two went on a free. He didn't have much money so he had to replace them with less money again. Newcastle went out and brought players in Jan to help them.
No wonder Wigan went down.

Nonsense. What about the players he DID have? Are Kone, McManaman, Maloney, McCarthy and Mcarthur not decent players? Where was the Wigan that were outstanding at Goodison in the cup, and outstanding in the cup final against Manchester City, all season?

The people coming on here and justifying their relegation because he had a ****e squad to work with cuts no ice with me. It's nowhere near as bad as some are making out. It's certainly a better squad than Norwich' who managed to stay up.

The fact is, Martinez didn't get the best out of that squad on enough occasions. Getting them up for a cup final alone is not good enough.