Moyes Potential Replacement

[Jay_B]

The fact where advocating Martinez's appointment and saying how bringing in 5 wigan players would improve us is thoroughly depressing. I hate life

He will not bring in five Wigan players that is purely media fabrication.

 

[Muggins]

Polite reminder lads. Please stay on topic in the Everton forum. Cheers.

 

[Christiffa25]

Same here. Im bored of the stability we have. I want something different and new, not the same steady stuff we have had for years now.

You do realise its just the manager that's changing not the board????

Stability is good....ask man utd!!

The changes some are expecting or wanting only comes from new owners with money, not a managerial change.

 

[maddison]

Pretty sure it was down to not giving him full control of football matter's and having to work with a DOF.

You suggesting that even if he didn't agree with how they wanted the club run, and his role in it, that he should of taken the job anyway just because its Liverpool (a more ambitious club) ????

He's waited another season and is now likely to get the BETTER team on merseyside.....Take a bow son!![
We don't know why he turned it down,and I suggested the job could have been too big for him
Or he questioned his own ability .We all like to think he swerved them for us ,but I think we could do better

While I'm not in the Martinez camp, that made me smile *dofs cap to you sir, well said

 

[ijjysmith]

Will also take Maloney and Mcmanaman for cheap. Those lot would improve us no end.

They wouldn't though.

We're Everton not West Ham.

 

[djpauly]

I'd take that young keeper Robles on loan from Atletico if Mucha goes. If Heitinga goes, i'd reluctanctly take one of Alcarez / Figueroa on a free, aslong as they where behind Stones / Duffy. Dont rate McCarthy, need a quality playmaker. McMananmam could be a flash in the pan, lets see how well he develops in the championship. Maloney is 30 and no better than Ossie. Kone is terrible, no improvement on our already dreadrul strikeforce.

 

[royalblue66]

Remember the time when you would only go to Wigan for a pie and watch the Rugby

 

[tim cahill]

He's going to make Everton into a nation? And then win the World Cup?

Martinez In!!!

It's called ambition!

 

[wiggum23]

They wouldn't though.

We're Everton not West Ham.

They would improve the squad though mate don't you think?

Not the first 11 I agree

 

[Mogwai]

You do realise its just the manager that's changing not the board????

Stability is good....ask man utd!!

The changes some are expecting or wanting only comes from new owners with money, not a managerial change.

So would you consider Chelsea to be stable?

 

[ijjysmith]

They would improve the squad though mate don't you think?

Not the first 11 I agree

Maybe. But, for the price they would be, we could get cheaper and better squad players.

 

[wiggum23]

Maybe. But, for the price they would be, we could get cheaper and better squad players.

Yeah, true. Especially when you look at what we paid for Mirallas. Will miss Moyes gems!

 

[mkrudden]

Like most on here, I've followed this merry-go-round with a daily intensity since the Everton job was vacated by Mr Moist. If you all don't mind, I would like to give my humble opinion. Now lets all be honest, a large percentage of Evertonians don't really know anything about Vitor or Ralph, except that they are what I would call 'exotic' candidates. There is a lot of guesswork involved with these two when it comes establishing if they would be any good. Evertonians are born 'romantics' so Vitor and Ralph fit the bill perfectly. I myself have enjoyed a moment or two of daydreaming about Vitor leading us to glory.

When I look at the cold hard facts regarding these two, I don't see them being the right man for the job, especially Vitor. In my humble opinion, Everton need a manager who will continue the work of the last 11 years, someone who will not 'rock the boat'. We are a steady ship, built on stability. I don't have any faith in Vitor or Ralph with regards to this. They have no reputation to be shot at in this country, so if it goes wrong, they can head back to Portugal/Germany and carry on where they left off. I would rather have a manager who understands the area, the club, the premier league. A manager who has built his reputation in this country, and cares enough about it. These factors played a big part in Man United's decision to appoint Moyes. Also, think of this: Manu have just appointed a manager who has won nothing in the top flight. That is a big deal for a club like ManU.

Now that all the romantic notions of Vitor and Ralph have left me, I can see Martinez as a perfect man for our club. First and foremost, Martinez didn't mastermind Wigans victory over Everton. The reason we lost that game had more to do with Phil Neville than Martinez's tactics. Having said that, his Wigan side exploited our glaring weakness on that day. I'll tell you what I like about Martinez, and there are many positives. He is young and hungry, he already has a lot of premier league experience, he can handle pressure, by nature he is very positive, he knows the area, he knows EFC and what we are about, his players fight for him, he doesn't bottle it, he can work with small budgets, he is liked and well respected in this country, our players already know him and his style of football is suited to what we like to see. And, he will get better as a manager. He will be coming to a club that has strong foundations and stability. I believe Martinez will flourish at Everton. I'm 41, I seen a lot of Everton since I got my first season ticket for the upper bullens in 1977. My point is, if Martinez comes in, then let's get behind him because it will bring out the best in Martinez.


Martinez has been tipped for the Everton job for many months, way before Moyes was confirmed as SAF successor

Im sorry my fellow blue, but you couldnt me more wrong IMO.

I was at the game, Lower Bullens, slap bang in the middle. What I saw was a complete and utter tactical win for Martinez.

Within the first 15 minutes of the game you could visibly see our players confused and uncertain of how to combat Wigan. Firstly they started with 3 at the back which is slightly unorthadox in the modern era, this coupled with that little Scotsman Maloney as one of the midfield 3, pushed Beasajour into a position directly in the middle of Kev and Seamus giving him ACRES of space. All they did for the first half was work the ball right, and then quickly switch over to Beasajour who had freedom to attack Coleman again and again, sometimes mixing it up with maloney who would overlap/underlap. Martinez had obviously briefed his team to attack our right and pin Coleman back, plus it was obvious big Kev doesnt offer as much protection as Pienaar for Baines. So that was tactical victory number 1.

Secondly, with their 3 at the back, they nullified Fellaini. Constantly when we looked to the Felli, he would be up against either one of the orthodox 2 centre backs, plus Figeroa who would go for ANY ball that was played up against their defence. Fiegeroa won probably 80& of the headers that day just because he was told to attack anything and everything that Fellaini would go for. Thats tactical victory number 2.

The last was one of the most genius things ive seen for a long time. They had been doubling up on Baines all game, closing down the space he occupies for all of the first half. Just before (i think) half time they had to bring their right wing-back off (cant remember who - Stam maybe?) and Martinez chose to bring on Myachi, the little japanese kid). He made NO ATTEMPT to get involved in the play whatsoever, and was just briefed with following Baines up and down that left hand side for the entire of his afternoon before it was cut short by a superb challenge by Kev. The little Jap literally just ran and ran, making the pass to Baines difficult or risky, therefore prompting our players to go something more direct to Felli and consequently falling into the trap of Tactical Victory number 2. When Ryo when off we had a little more joy but it was too little too late.

I would recommend watching the extended highlights on Everton TV if you want to see a manager (Moyes) well and truly out-thought by an opposition (Martinez). Our players were demoralised because of how clever Wigans tactics were, as we were shut down in every area we are usually effective.

I am not a huge fan of Martinez, as I think his teams leak goals because they play too open, but in terms of planning a victory on paper and getting his players to implement his ideas on one-off occasions, I think he is extremely good.

Neville was poorthat day, but Fellaini was awful, so was Kev and so was Pienaar. To say that Neville was the reason we lost is just quite frankly incorrect.

Respect your opinion though matey!

NSNO

 

[maddison]

They wouldn't though.

We're Everton not West Ham.

Maybe. But, for the price they would be, we could get cheaper and better squad players.

Well said. But I think we're well and truly at the point where we don't need squad players, we need players that can move us to the next level. Ones that can replace some of the players who are in our first eleven and push them to being squad players, Distin (although I"m gutted he's not younger as I truly rate him) - we've probably got this more than covered already mind with our youth, Peanuts -good player for us but has hot and cold games, and he's a bell end, our strikers - we need at least one top level striker. A central midfielder or two.

Who ever the manager is who gets the job, I hope he brings in two or three top quality players, we really don't need 'squad' players at this stage. We need a manger who can identify a hidden gem like Mirallas has been for us this season.

 

[maddison]

Im sorry my fellow blue, but you couldnt me more wrong IMO.

I was at the game, Lower Bullens, slap bang in the middle. What I saw was a complete and utter tactical win for Martinez.

Within the first 15 minutes of the game you could visibly see our players confused and uncertain of how to combat Wigan. Firstly they started with 3 at the back which is slightly unorthadox in the modern era, this coupled with that little Scotsman Maloney as one of the midfield 3, pushed Beasajour into a position directly in the middle of Kev and Seamus giving him ACRES of space. All they did for the first half was work the ball right, and then quickly switch over to Beasajour who had freedom to attack Coleman again and again, sometimes mixing it up with maloney who would overlap/underlap. Martinez had obviously briefed his team to attack our right and pin Coleman back, plus it was obvious big Kev doesnt offer as much protection as Pienaar for Baines. So that was tactical victory number 1.

Secondly, with their 3 at the back, they nullified Fellaini. Constantly when we looked to the Felli, he would be up against either one of the orthodox 2 centre backs, plus Figeroa who would go for ANY ball that was played up against their defence. Fiegeroa won probably 80& of the headers that day just because he was told to attack anything and everything that Fellaini would go for. Thats tactical victory number 2.

The last was one of the most genius things ive seen for a long time. They had been doubling up on Baines all game, closing down the space he occupies for all of the first half. Just before (i think) half time they had to bring their right wing-back off (cant remember who - Stam maybe?) and Martinez chose to bring on Myachi, the little japanese kid). He made NO ATTEMPT to get involved in the play whatsoever, and was just briefed with following Baines up and down that left hand side for the entire of his afternoon before it was cut short by a superb challenge by Kev. The little Jap literally just ran and ran, making the pass to Baines difficult or risky, therefore prompting our players to go something more direct to Felli and consequently falling into the trap of Tactical Victory number 2. When Ryo when off we had a little more joy but it was too little too late.

I would recommend watching the extended highlights on Everton TV if you want to see a manager (Moyes) well and truly out-thought by an opposition (Martinez). Our players were demoralised because of how clever Wigans tactics were, as we were shut down in every area we are usually effective.

I am not a huge fan of Martinez, as I think his teams leak goals because they play too open, but in terms of planning a victory on paper and getting his players to implement his ideas on one-off occasions, I think he is extremely good.

Neville was poorthat day, but Fellaini was awful, so was Kev and so was Pienaar. To say that Neville was the reason we lost is just quite frankly incorrect.

Respect your opinion though matey!

NSNO

It's just a shame he didn't have this tactical genius for the rest of the season isn't it ........:blink: