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His cup record before this season was dire. Get ready for weakened teams in cup games a la moyes.
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His cup record before this season was dire. Get ready for weakened teams in cup games a la moyes.
And over 36 games only 2 teams are worse than Wigan.
I know it was, it was one of the reasons I was so against him. But it took him less time in the PL than moyes to reach his first quarter final, his first semi final and his first final.
If he's got to grip with the cups now, it'll be good for us.
http://www.grandoldteam.com/news/fans-view/2013/may/11/no-excuses-kenwright-get-the-right-man
There´s a myriad of reasons why Everton miss out on the odd player or nine. As a fanbase, we expect that we won´t be signing Messi anytime soon.
However, there´s absolutely no reason - financially, or due to club reputation - why Bill Kenwright should not look far and wide and bring the right man in at Everton, no matter what.
When Moyes announced his intention to leave Everton, it was met with a mixture of surprise, disappointment and acceptance by a lot of supporters. For me, the bigger surprise and cause of more disappointment was the immediate betting list for next Everton manager.
Malky Mackay, Neil Lennon, Roberto Martinez... even Phil Neville, all leading contenders.
Nothing against Mackay and Martinez really (I actually like both managers), but it was maddening to see the bookies automatically look down the leagues to inferior teams rather than consider the continent and beyond for managers who are looking to test their mettle in the Premier League.
That said, I can hardly blame the media. Everton have been painted as plucky underdogs for well over a decade, so to see the clowns at TalkSport stupidly mention Tony Pulis as a good candidate for the Everton job is hardly surprising. But my biggest fear is that, as a fanbase, we buy into the usual media crusade painting us as a slightly older version of Wigan rather than the top club that we are.
That isn´t delusion by the way. We´re a top six club in the most popular league in the world. Our outgoing manager is one of the highest paid managers in world football. We have just proven that doing a good job at Goodison Park can lead to the very top roles in world football, both as players (see Arteta, Gravesen, Rooney etc.) and managers.
So whilst in 2002 we were in dire straits and looking down the leagues for an up and comer to take a chance on was acceptable, in 2013 it´s a whole new kettle of fish.
This summer, we will have the increased TV money to spend, plus a likely big money sale of Fellaini and/or Baines, along with Heitinga and Mucha, Neville retiring etc.
That´s a lot of the wage bill freed up and a lot of capital to give the new manager to stamp his authority on the team and start anew.
Therefore, there is no excuse at all - not one - for not looking far and wide to bring the best man in for the job. Not the guy happiest to take a low wage just to have the marquee job. Not the man who´ll happily tow the line and big up his "great relationship" with the chairman, like they´re best buds. Not the guy who shows the most enthusiasm for Coronation Street in the interview.
No, the best man for Everton, no matter what the cost. It´s going to be a revolutionary summer at Goodison Park - this needs to be right. Get it right Bill.
There´s a myriad of reasons why Everton miss out on the odd player or nine. As a fanbase, we expect that we won´t be signing Messi anytime soon.
However, there´s absolutely no reason - financially, or due to club reputation - why Bill Kenwright should not look far and wide and bring the right man in at Everton, no matter what.
When Moyes announced his intention to leave Everton, it was met with a mixture of surprise, disappointment and acceptance by a lot of supporters. For me, the bigger surprise and cause of more disappointment was the immediate betting list for next Everton manager.
Malky Mackay, Neil Lennon, Roberto Martinez... even Phil Neville, all leading contenders.
Nothing against Mackay and Martinez really (I actually like both managers), but it was maddening to see the bookies automatically look down the leagues to inferior teams rather than consider the continent and beyond for managers who are looking to test their mettle in the Premier League.
That said, I can hardly blame the media. Everton have been painted as plucky underdogs for well over a decade, so to see the clowns at TalkSport stupidly mention Tony Pulis as a good candidate for the Everton job is hardly surprising. But my biggest fear is that, as a fanbase, we buy into the usual media crusade painting us as a slightly older version of Wigan rather than the top club that we are.
That isn´t delusion by the way. We´re a top six club in the most popular league in the world. Our outgoing manager is one of the highest paid managers in world football. We have just proven that doing a good job at Goodison Park can lead to the very top roles in world football, both as players (see Arteta, Gravesen, Rooney etc.) and managers.
So whilst in 2002 we were in dire straits and looking down the leagues for an up and comer to take a chance on was acceptable, in 2013 it´s a whole new kettle of fish.
This summer, we will have the increased TV money to spend, plus a likely big money sale of Fellaini and/or Baines, along with Heitinga and Mucha, Neville retiring etc.
That´s a lot of the wage bill freed up and a lot of capital to give the new manager to stamp his authority on the team and start anew.
Therefore, there is no excuse at all - not one - for not looking far and wide to bring the best man in for the job. Not the guy happiest to take a low wage just to have the marquee job. Not the man who´ll happily tow the line and big up his "great relationship" with the chairman, like they´re best buds. Not the guy who shows the most enthusiasm for Coronation Street in the interview.
No, the best man for Everton, no matter what the cost. It´s going to be a revolutionary summer at Goodison Park - this needs to be right. Get it right Bill.
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Player Valuation: £5m
The whole Wigan team , worth a massive 11 million pounds (worth less than Fellaini ) outplayed the small Man City team worth 240 million pounds -
how will the Moyes supporter club explain that mismatch ?
and by the way Wigan wiped the floor with Everton on their way to the FA Cup as well -
must be something in the Wigan water I suppose - Martinez is just a name
how will the Moyes supporter club explain that mismatch ?
and by the way Wigan wiped the floor with Everton on their way to the FA Cup as well -
must be something in the Wigan water I suppose - Martinez is just a name
Del
Ric Wee fan club member 2014
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Player Valuation: £10m
Where are you expecting Wigan to finish?
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I know we all have preferences, gut feelings.
My preference is Pelligrini.
My gut feeling is David Weir.
My preference is Pelligrini.
My gut feeling is David Weir.
Ok thanks for the response mate.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
This is just a one off match 50/50 chance unlike the league games you play 38 matches. Can you explain why they will relegate then?
Popcorn. Piles of the stuff, fifty feet high, for as far as the eye can see in any direction.
IF he can produce another cup run? And what possible guarantee can their be of that? Your opponents in a cup run are determined by blind luck. On the other hand, your opponents in the league are certain, therefore your performance in the league is a better barometer of your true level of ability. Prospective players consider that when deciding whether to join the club, amongst other things.
I appreciate that he'd have a better squad to work with here and, almost unbelievably, more money. But even you're pointing out that he'd likely do worse in the league than Moyes has. The odds of a good cup run are reliant in large part on the draw. And that's not a good enough reason to pay more for Martinez than you would have to for Pereira or Girard.
This ^^^ for me.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
Porto 0-1 down.
#Peireraout
Pereira will leave if Porto don't win the league I guess.
C
Cookachoo
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Very much like Moyes at United, whoever the new man is, the biggest thing he will require is patience.
I get the feeling that both jobs could almost mirror each other next season, as both managers try to put their stamp on their respective new clubs. Whoever comes in for us is obviously going to have to oversee a fairly big change at the club.
They will have the arduous task of replacing one or two key players who seem to be on their way out (Fellaini / Rooney) reducing the overall age of the squad as well as implementing their own ideas and style into the Football club.
It would be incredible if both teams maintained the level that they performed at this season in the wake of such change, but as we saw at the beginning of both the Moyes and Ferguson eras, it could take some time before the new man gets the team showing the kind of improvement we are all anticipating.
I get the feeling that both jobs could almost mirror each other next season, as both managers try to put their stamp on their respective new clubs. Whoever comes in for us is obviously going to have to oversee a fairly big change at the club.
They will have the arduous task of replacing one or two key players who seem to be on their way out (Fellaini / Rooney) reducing the overall age of the squad as well as implementing their own ideas and style into the Football club.
It would be incredible if both teams maintained the level that they performed at this season in the wake of such change, but as we saw at the beginning of both the Moyes and Ferguson eras, it could take some time before the new man gets the team showing the kind of improvement we are all anticipating.
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