Moyes to Sunderland

[Sunderland afc]

Your club has been on the brink of relegation for years, looks like your luck has run out. Surely there must be someone else at the club more at fault than Moyes?

The whole club has been run like a joke for years but moyes isn't helping

 

[Kenshin]

The whole club has been run like a joke for years but moyes isn't helping

Nice to get another perspective on the matter. To what extent is moyes to blame for what is happening this season considering the injury crisis and the lack of backing? Not a negative question so please don't interpret it as that, I find it interesting to know moyes contribution to it considering we know his contributions to us over the years here

 

[davek]

Another day goes by and Moyes is in his job still. It's unbelievable. Sunderland are like Lemmings heading for the cliff with the ginger pied piper leading the way.

Moyes: with us for 11 years, wins nothing; worst United manager of all time; chased out of Sociedad; relegates Sunderland.

 

[Papa Shango]

Nice to get another perspective on the matter. To what extent is moyes to blame for what is happening this season considering the injury crisis and the lack of backing? Not a negative question so please don't interpret it as that, I find it interesting to know moyes contribution to it considering we know his contributions to us over the years here

Well such clowns as Paolo Di Canio and Big Sam Allardyce have managed to keep them up under the same circumstances.

Moyes must have had some form of backing seeing as he has bought half our squad in.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Another day goes by and Moyes is in his job still. It's unbelievable. Sunderland are like Lemmings heading for the cliff with the ginger pied piper leading the way.

Moyes: with us for 11 years, wins nothing; worst United manager of all time; chased out of Sociedad; relegates Sunderland.

Well that's just not true though is it?

 

[davek]

Well that's just not true though is it?

Cant think of too many others. Is there some manager when they were called Newton Heath who was worse than Moyes?

 

[Kenshin]

Well such clowns as Paolo Di Canio and Big Sam Allardyce have managed to keep them up under the same circumstances.

Moyes must have had some form of backing seeing as he has bought half our squad in.

I would personally argue the lack of backing has caused the old guard to join him up there. small contracts well past this level for most of them but just able bodied for 60 minutes a week to at least hope for the best. You are right about previous managers keeping them up though which is why i am curious to know from a sunderland fan what Moyes has done to contribute to this. As i mentioned we can all pinpoint this and that from Moyes time here as experts on the subject but this time i would say the sunderland fans are the experts and we can only assume and guess.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Cant think of too many others. Is there some manager when they were called Newton Heath who was worse than Moyes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manchester_United_F.C._managers

Ctrl+F "relegate". Most of those won nothing whatsoever.

 

[davek]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manchester_United_F.C._managers

Ctrl+F "relegate". Most of those won nothing whatsoever.

I think you're going back to the 70s for a similar level of failure...though someone like O'Farrell or Sexton weren't handed the champions of England and one of the best teams in Europe to manage. Docherty took them down, IIRC, but also took them back up and was a winner with them in the cup. Probably Moyes is the worst manager since the 1930s or something like that.

It's an incredible 'achievement'.

 

[Papa Shango]

I would personally argue the lack of backing has caused the old guard to join him up there. small contracts well past this level for most of them but just able bodied for 60 minutes a week to at least hope for the best. You are right about previous managers keeping them up though which is why i am curious to know from a sunderland fan what Moyes has done to contribute to this. As i mentioned we can all pinpoint this and that from Moyes time here as experts on the subject but this time i would say the sunderland fans are the experts and we can only assume and guess.

I don't think it helped by him turning up and basically saying "we are crap, we have no chance of staying up".

Sunderland have a lot of young lads playing for them and players who will be fighting for their future in the top flight. A siege mentality right from the off may have been enough to save them.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I think you're going back to the 70s for a similar level of failure...though someone like O'Farrell or Sexton weren't handed the champions of England and one of the best teams in Europe to manage. Docherty took them down, IIRC, but also took them back up and was a winner with them in the cup. Probably Moyes is the worst manager since the 1930s or something like that.

It's an incredible 'achievement'.

They so weren't the best team in Europe, easily not even the best squad in England. SAF worked his magic on them and won with utter guff like slotting Valencia at right back, Ashley Young and random youth or good players who are way past their due date, but motivated because of him.

SAF goes, the squad is revealed as the bunch of clowns they are, shocker.

In his one season he did about the same, if not better (organisationally, on the pitch) than van Gaal, but didn't have the name to be left for one more season, so they got him out.

 

[Papa Shango]

They so weren't the best team in Europe, easily not even the best squad in England. SAF worked his magic on them and won with utter guff like slotting Valencia at right back, Ashley Young and random youth or good players who are way past their due date, but motivated because of him.

SAF goes, the squad is revealed as the bunch of clowns they are, shocker.

In his one season he did about the same, if not better (organisationally, on the pitch) than van Gaal, but didn't have the name to be left for one more season, so they got him out.

Didnt help that his solution to said problems was to buy Fellaini for more than his release clause and to offer 5 pence for Leighton Baines.

His little black book must be tiny.

 

[davek]

They so weren't the best team in Europe, easily not even the best squad in England. SAF worked his magic on them and won with utter guff like slotting Valencia at right back, Ashley Young and random youth or good players who are way past their due date, but motivated because of him.

SAF goes, the squad is revealed as the bunch of clowns they are, shocker.

In his one season he did about the same, if not better (organisationally, on the pitch) than van Gaal, but didn't have the name to be left for one more season, so they got him out.

I said one of them.

And they were. In the five years before Moyes, United won the CL and reached the final another two times.

You cant be seriously defending Moyes' record at United. He was a disaster.

Unreal.

 

[Kenshin]

I don't think it helped by him turning up and basically saying "we are crap, we have no chance of staying up".

Sunderland have a lot of young lads playing for them and players who will be fighting for their future in the top flight. A siege mentality right from the off may have been enough to save them.

I think that would have been asking the impossible somewhat to be fighting relegation from the get go. Especially over 38 games, it would have finished some of those players off mentally long before it mattered. Even the likes of Burnley had a go at the league and it worked out well for them, it is easy to think the siege mentality would have been right, and in theory it may have been. How many of those players genuinely wanted to be in the mind set in August that they were fighting to stay up and had 9 months of it to go?

For what it is worth i think sunderland gave the job to Moyes simply because they wanted as much of a result with little effort on their part, but it has backfired when Moyes answer to the lack of support was to bring in aging ex players.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Didnt help that his solution to said problems was to buy Fellaini for more than his release clause and to offer 5 pence for Leighton Baines.

His little black book must be tiny.

That's true, he didn't help himself, but let's not paint the fact that United team had average, at best, players in it - the ones mentioned, Fellaini who didn't know how to play all of a sudden, Rooney on the decline (early stages of it), the list goes on. In fact, here it is - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_Manchester_United_F.C._season#Squad_statistics . I wouldn't touch 2/3 of those players, barring RVP, Rooney, De Gea and Mata.

I said one of them.

And they were. In the five years before Moyes, United won the CL and reached the final another two times.

You cant be seriously defending Moyes' record at United. He was a disaster.

Unreal.

5 years ago isn't the same as "now" though, isn't it? Especially if the previous 4 of those you had arguably the best manager in history. It didn't matter who the next one was, he wasn't going to be as good.

Re: the squad - the meh - Bebe, Cleverley, Anderson, Macheda, Phil Jones, Evans; the ageing - Evra, Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, Carrick (even though he was quality more often than not, to his credit); the crap ones - Ashley Young, Antonio Valencia as a RB, Nani, Rafael. Basically a downgrade on our own squad. Good - RVP, Rooney, De Gea, Mata. Kagawa wasn't for this league and it was evident.

And yet, Rooney and RVP were both on nearly 20 goals. He was so crap, definitely not the pitchfork situation because of his (crap) personality, like. Or because ManUre fans wanted others and not him. Or because the old dogs in the squad didn't like him, like Terry 'helped' Chelsea make a decision recently too.

If anything, Moyes going there was only going to highlight how he's not SAF and how SAF won the league with clowns.