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Murders in Liverpool.

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slipstream86 said:
Perhaps not the right time or place to preach your political bias when a poor little girl has died?

It’s an absolutely shocking crime. Hope the perpetrator/s face the full force of the law.
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I didn't read any political bias.

In fact, the opposite. Politicians from all corners of the house were called out of being self serving leeches.


chrismpw said:
I don't disagree with you at all. It would be interesting to see a specific graph of murders, rather than general violent crime though. Also your graph stops two years ago - before the discontent at the crumbling mismanaged economy, rampant inflation and geberal misery caused of the fat oaf in charge.
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Very convenient. I'd guess all forms of crime have increased over the past year or two.

Life with Covid restrictions for the public being flouted with impunity by our 'leaders' merely emboldens people to hold the law in even less regard than before.

Why take anything seriously when prices are spiraling but a few select friends of the government are getting paid 10s, sometimes 100s of millions for services they have no clue about? Why respect anything?

Then of course you have the mouth breathers who thought leaving the EU would solve all our troubles. No more foreigns 'stealing' jobs, the NHS fixed overnight. It's finally dawning on them that they've been sold a pup. They're annoyed, not at themselves for being so 'kin stupid for believing it, they're just annoyed at life.

Society in its traditional sense is broken, permanently.

The UK has been on a slow, steady slide to the bottom for a long time. People won't accept taxation or a few 'home truths' to start the long process of fixing things. Even if a well meaning government is elected (not that I see any potential for that) they'll be voted out after a single term thanks to a media backed blame game.
 
widnesblue said:
They haven’t got the resources nor man/woman power to deal with that on going issue. They are powerless. Say they arrest one drug dealer, another pops up within 5 minutes. The task is to large, it is but it’s only going to get worse. I don’t think people realise how much these kids have changed within 10 years, every year they are getting worse and they aren’t doing anything to deal with the issue. If anything, they are been encouraged unintentionally to do whatever they want and they know it.

People can blame parents, drugs, gangs etc but one of the ones they don’t blame is a change in mindset and the outlook they have on life. It’s very easy to turn to a life of crime and earn easy money. More and more kids are becoming disillusioned with education, in order to get a well paid job, you need some form of qualification, doesn’t matter how good you are at that job, unless you have the right qualification, you have no chance. In their mindsets, they look at it like this, why go earn £350 a week on minimum wage, not afford anything or treble that wage in 2 days selling drugs. Unless your academic or willing to put the hard work in academically, you’ve got no chance in changing society for a lot of kids and young adults.
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Very true but getting a regular "blue collar" wage that does little but slow the accumulation of debt is near impossible if you scan the job ads. The mindset will never change though. People who are going on strike to secure a wage that goes some way to keep up with the cost of living or maintain their standards of welfare are sneered at, belittled and told to get some qualifications and a better job if they need anything beyond the basics of heating, a roof over their families head and food so much.

When you look at the qualifications needed for entry level jobs where some progression is possible or the ridiculous demands made for minimum or near minimum wage jobs with no prospects that demand utmost flexibility with zero benefits or guarantees it's absolutely no wonder that an increasingly large proportion of young people from impoverished areas with low standards of education are falling into a life of crime.

That's not to excuse the low-lifes at the extremes but the whole infrastructure of organised gangs and crime flourishes in these circumstances. Those in charge have looked at the failings of big US cities such as Baltimore and Detroit over the last 50 years and decided it's the blueprint for UK society.
 


widnesblue said:
Honestly mate, it’s not as easy as you think. I work with the police on a daily basis and some of them will be the first to admit, they are losing the war on drugs. Especially with kids. I’ve seen kids who are dealers, get arrested for drug charges, then within a day or two, another kid as took over. It’s just a cycle that will never change and only going to get worse.

The police are powerless when it comes to drugs and people know it. Unless they are serious dealers, the is nothing they can do.
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This is why they should legalise it, lets be honest nobody is going to start smoking weed because its now legal to do so, you do it anyway, make it legal and there main source of income is gone
 
widnesblue said:
Honestly mate, it’s not as easy as you think. I work with the police on a daily basis and some of them will be the first to admit, they are losing the war on drugs. Especially with kids. I’ve seen kids who are dealers, get arrested for drug charges, then within a day or two, another kid as took over. It’s just a cycle that will never change and only going to get worse.

The police are powerless when it comes to drugs and people know it. Unless they are serious dealers, the is nothing they can do.
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Agree 100% mate. For anyone that hasn't seen/read about, look up a guy called Neil Woods. He was an undercover cop who spent years infiltrating drug gangs around the country. After taking down the 10 main leaders of Burger Bar Boys in Birmingham he quit his job as he said after putting in months worth of work to get these guys, within 2 hours of being arrested they were back up and running again under a side wing of the main gang. It's a war that can't be won, I know I have seen it with my own eyes
 

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