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New Everton Stadium

kithnou said:
I said 60k.
How will you feel if we make the CL and play Barcelona at home, and you can't get a ticket mate?
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Why does a Stadium need to stay at lets say 55k - if we have any brains about us we'll build a Stadium that can be easily expanded. Build a 55k seater and test demand, if theres more demand and it builds each year, you simply go through the process of an expansion. Expansion wont be a problem because we're buying a huge plot of land.
 
miff said:
Seriously
What's the point in pretending we're something we're not?
Build what you can sell?
Some evertonians need to get real.
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Pretend what we're not?

No aspirations to be bigger than we already are?

We're not locked into being Kenwrights Everton, time we all looked to the sky.

Swear Morshiri first major task is to change the attitude of our fans, nevermind the media
 
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MartSlinger said:
Why does a Stadium need to stay at lets say 55k - if we have any brains about us we'll build a Stadium that can be easily expanded. Build a 55k seater and test demand, if theres more demand and it builds each year, you simply go through the process of an expansion. Expansion wont be a problem because we're buying a huge plot of land.
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Respectfully mate, that's like the misses telling me 6 inches will do the job, so why have one any bigger? Because we can, and its impressive! Bigger is better for me. :D

We have the money now (hopefully?), so let's not think expansion will be easy in the future.
 
Jacko93 said:
I was under the impression that rail seating doesn't have an effect on capacity as you do have a seat for every ticket, it's just folded away in standing mode. I thought that this was the while point, to stop over crowded areas and for each person to have a designated space, just stood up. Am I wrong?
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Extra people can fit into a row as people standing up are narrower than when sitting down + can offset a little along the width of the row, the ratio is something like 1.3 people to one 'seat'.
 

All this obsession with Liverpool and our new stadium being bigger, is a nonsense, stop judging Everton in terms of them. To pretend we have the numbers of supporters they do is nonsense (just like them claiming to be as big as Utd).

At the right price point maybe we could fill a 60,000 most weeks (possibly?) but how big their odd looking stadium is just doesnt come into it.
 
When it comes to football stadia the size is an important factor but our pull will be surpass them from a commercial sense I believe.

The chance for regeneration of the whole area using our stadia as a catalyst will bring in so much investment and with that comes business and interest in seeing our games.

If we get this site and get a stadia that's top class that fills what we want as fans, the rest will take care of its self.

We could have the infrastructure to be huge.
 
MartSlinger said:
Why does a Stadium need to stay at lets say 55k - if we have any brains about us we'll build a Stadium that can be easily expanded. Build a 55k seater and test demand, if theres more demand and it builds each year, you simply go through the process of an expansion. Expansion wont be a problem because we're buying a huge plot of land.
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But it'd make more sense to build big and allow us to modify it to suit capacity demands. It'd be much cheaper in the long run, and would provide the maximum capacity on the occasions it's needed.

Better to have a 65k stadium that can be modified down to a 50k for most games, than having to pass up a potential 15k attendance spike because your ground isn't big enough.
 

some people lar, even if we did build a 60k and it didn't sell out at first, surely we've now got the ambition to improve drastically on the pitch therefor putting bums on those seats! if in a few years we are challenging the top where we should be more people are obviously going to come, you've got the tourist attraction with it being so close to the centre, whats the point in building a 45k stadium to fill it then quickly realise it's to smash and have to extend

think the people criticising the idea of the larger stadium need to get real
 
The Cowboy said:
But it'd make more sense to build big and allow us to modify it to suit capacity demands. It'd be much cheaper in the long run, and would provide the maximum capacity on the occasions it's needed.

Better to have a 65k stadium that can be modified down to a 50k for most games, than having to pass up a potential 15k attendance spike because your ground isn't big enough.
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I understand the principle here but I'm genuinely perplexed by the of the practicality of such a design and the additional costs it would endure.

People have talked about sliding roofs and what not to cover vacant rows - do people not consider the potentially huge additional costs of this?

And for what exactly? To have a 65k seater stadium that can appear to be a 50k stadium. Why not just have empty seats without additional costs?

As I've said before, it will simply boil down to what the club can afford versus the projected attendances over the next twenty to thirty years.

Don't get me wrong, I would love a huge new stadium, filling it every week and by doing that dwarfing many other of our rivals.

But I look at the likes of Citeh, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool working around the sixty thousand mark and think there's a reason for it.

Removing the Blue tinted glasses and sentiment, I honestly do not believe we'd fill a 65k plus stadium regularly and therefore it doesn't make sense.

Moshiri and co will want value for money so if that's the case it'll probably be a non-starter. Fifty-five we'd probably fill; sixty occasionally at a push.

And the comparison with Liverpool's size is frustrating as we'll have a top stadium in a great location with a similar/bigger attendance to Analfield.

They'll be envious enough!
 
miff said:
Build within your means
Live within your means
And stop worrying about how big or little our stadium is.
We won't sell out so get real
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You know what mate, your absolutely right. I cant believe I've not noticed it before. We have this gargantuan club just over the way from us, what more can we do? We've not won anything for ages, so I mean, why bother at all really? We're just becoming a nuisance to the ones who matter, at least, we would be if they even knew we existed. Maybe things would be different if we all just got medals for turning up and being a sporting bunch, but that's not the way competition works unfortunately for us. There is nothing down for us, we might as well leave Goodison, just use the new u21's stadium that is being built, level where we now call home, and let the ones over the park use it as a car park for when they build the next phase of their expansion.




You need to have some belief in who we are, and trust in what is expected. We are world leaders in many different aspects of footballing innovation, known the world over and actually far more respected in European countries than some would have us believe. We can fill a stadium that is larger than 60k, absolutely we can. The only way we cant is if we build a stadium that only seats 45k.

I genuinely despair at what some of our fans seems to want to for our GREAT club, its like they enjoy being the underdog, like it gives them some sort of pleasure thinking that not much is expected. Things are changing now and will continue to change for a long time to come and maybe its just about time fans like you got on board or just give up, cause it doesn't sound to me like you have much fight in you anyway.

We have the opportunity to push on now with great vigour and verve, a chance to do something now that will pave the way for the next 124 years of Evertonians. We have to make the right decisions that will suit us now, and in the next five years, and every year following that for as long as the game remains. Your problem seems to be that you are considering Everton's recent past as the only past and as an indicator for the future. This club is destined to do great things, whether now, or in 10 years we need to be ready for that. Fortunately the man making the decisions is a man who has a much greater vision and belief in our club than you do.
 
People in this thread seem to be wilfully ignoring the issue of cost.

A 65,000 seater stadium would cost significantly more than a 55,000 seater stadium if both were built to the same standard. As promising as Moshiri's statements have been I doubt he's going to write us a blank cheque for the construction of a new ground so that money, and thus that debt will be an issue.

It makes far more sense to build a great stadium with room to expand if and when we are successful than to take a huge gamble on future success. If we get to where people think Moshiri wants us to be then funding expansion would not be an issue.

Living within your means, to an extent, is important.
 

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