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New Everton Stadium

PhilM said:
I understand the principle here but I'm genuinely perplexed by the of the practicality of such a design and the additional costs it would endure.

People have talked about sliding roofs and what not to cover vacant rows - do people not consider the potentially huge additional costs of this?

And for what exactly? To have a 65k seater stadium that can appear to be a 50k stadium. Why not just have empty seats without additional costs?

As I've said before, it will simply boil down to what the club can afford versus the projected attendances over the next twenty to thirty years.

Don't get me wrong, I would love a huge new stadium, filling it every week and by doing that dwarfing many other of our rivals.

But I look at the likes of Citeh, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool working around the sixty thousand mark and think there's a reason for it.

Removing the Blue tinted glasses and sentiment, I honestly do not believe we'd fill a 65k plus stadium regularly and therefore it doesn't make sense.

Moshiri and co will want value for money so if that's the case it'll probably be a non-starter. Fifty-five we'd probably fill; sixty occasionally at a push.
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Because it's my belief that having 15,000 empty seats will have a hugely detrimental effect on the atmosphere (and make us look daft, quite frankly). Whilst retractable roofs are not common in UK stadia just yet, I do not believe they are phenomenally expensive, and I do not believe a sliding roof would be either.

It would also make our stadium instantly known and recognised, which is absolutely what we want.
 
miff said:
60k? 55k?
Apologies, but there are some proper biffs on here.
There isn't a [Poor language removed] cats in hells chance we'd sell out.
Look at man city's ground, when partially empty it looks awful.
Build what you can sell.......we can fill 50k tops.
Get [Poor language removed] real and stop pretending we're not what you think we are.
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You're a little ray of sunshine you are.
 
It seems something between 50,000 - 65,000 is the range for capacity. 65k would be very much on the optimistic side.

I wouldn't want to see swathes of empty seating and it seems to me that a build for 55k with the possibility of expansion built-in to the design would make sense. 60k at a push.

I'm sure they will base this on a very thorough analysis, if demand is high it's great for us but we don't want to build and then recognise we needed a bigger capacity from the off. I don't see that happening.

Of equal importance will be the number of premium seats - we really need to drive income from that area.
 

Jacko93 said:
We can fill a stadium that is larger than 60k, absolutely we can.
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Occasionally yes I believe we would if the pricing structure stayed the same, especially in the category A games or cup competitions.

Yet would we regularly and consistently in the foreseeable future? I'm sorry I don't see it and neither will the people willing to fund the project.

Empty seats don't bring in revenue and in fact they'll cost the club money due to construction costs and the financing of the stadium.

And as I've mentioned earlier, reducing prices to fill the stadium in the short and medium-term is counter productive and reduces viability.

Incorporating expansion into the project is a must, but unnecessarily adding risk to the project due to extra costs as @Brennan mentioned is not.

And as I've mentioned, other clubs are looking at the 60k mark for a reason. People are being blinded by sentiment as it's not their money.
 
Chris78 said:
All this obsession with Liverpool and our new stadium being bigger, is a nonsense, stop judging Everton in terms of them. To pretend we have the numbers of supporters they do is nonsense (just like them claiming to be as big as Utd).

At the right price point maybe we could fill a 60,000 most weeks (possibly?) but how big their odd looking stadium is just doesnt come into it.
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I honestly can see where you are coming from but I think there is something in looking at what are rivals have.

The size of the stadium is often used as a factor in the size of a club, hence why lots of people think Newcastle is a massive club despite having won nothing for years and they yo-yo between divisions. Unless you have other qualities as a club - take Juve/Chelsea for example who have recently won trophies and are (usually) in the CL, why wouldn't a player take in to account the size of the stadium as a gauge to the size of the club? Why do you think Spurs settled on 61k instead of 60k if this is all meaningless?

Tbh I don't mind if our stadium is a bit smaller than the rest of our rivals but it should be a figure within a couple of thousand of the rest. If we have a 50k capacity stadium it means Spurs/Wham/RS (after further expansion) etc. will have 10-12k more than us, that's a big jump especially for us that can remember that Arsenal had 38k, Utd 44k, spurs 36k, RS 42k, Villa and City around the 40k mark with us.

Do you see how we are being left behind? The people who say we can't fill a big stadium are the people that are forgetting that Everton Football Club are one of the biggest in the country, we've had years of mismanagement that has got everyone thinking we are bloody Tranmere. It might not be full every game but it still will be full enough.
 
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50 - 55K would be ideal, keep ticket prices the same as currently but offer more incentives for parents and child tickets.

The money making will be from the corporate seats, currently we offer a fraction compared to our peers. A dockside stadium would bring blue chip companies wanting to take up the corporate facilities.

The main thing for the stadium, it will need to be a 24/7 facility. Conference facilities, even the possibility of corporate boxes being used as offices through the week. Long gone is stadium used once every fortnight. It needs to bring in extra revenue and not via football.
 
The binman chronicles said:
I honestly can see where you are coming from but I think there is something in looking at what are rivals have.

The size of the stadium is often used as a factor in the size of a club, hence why lots of people think Newcastle is a massive club despite having won nothing for years and they yo-yo between divisions. Unless you have other qualities as a club - take Juve/Chelsea for example who have recently won trophies and are (usually) in the CL, why wouldn't a player take in to account the size of the stadium as a gauge to the size of the club? Why do you think Spurs settled on 61k instead of 60k if this is all meaningless?

Tbh I don't mind if our stadium is a bit smaller than the rest of our rivals but it should be a figure within a couple of thousand of the rest. If we have a 50k capacity stadium it means Spurs/Wham/RS (after further expansion) etc. will have 10-12k more than us that's a big jump especially for us that can remember that Arsenal had 38k, Utd 44k, spurs 36k, RS 42k, Villa and City around the 40k mark with us.

Do you see how we are being left behind? The people who say we can't fill a big stadium are the people that are forgetting that Everton Football Club are one of the biggest in the country, we've had years of miss management that has got everyone thinking we are bloody Tranmere. It might not be full every game but it still will be full enough.
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You make some very good points, I tHink my post was more a reaction to what I perceive as an obsession a lot of our fans have with liverpool. Nothing makes us seem more small time than obsessing over them.
 
The Cowboy said:
Because it's my belief that having 15,000 empty seats will have a hugely detrimental effect on the atmosphere (and make us look daft, quite frankly). Whilst retractable roofs are not common in UK stadia just yet, I do not believe they are phenomenally expensive, and I do not believe a sliding roof would be either.

It would also make our stadium instantly known and recognised, which is absolutely what we want.
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Completely agree with the first point about empty seats and it would have a hugely detrimental contribution to our atmosphere.

My point is why add additional costs to facilitate adding those empty seats which in themselves will add substantial costs to our initial outlay?

Also, if the fan base grows as people desire, then the retractable roof will ultimately become redundant so would the cost have been worth it?

And when you consider that a sliding roof will most probably not be weight-bearing and will require extra machinery/pneumatics, it will cost a bit!

Therefore it will be more sensible to have the empty seats with all the negatives, or just build a stadium that will suit our potential capacities needs.
 

PhilM said:
Completely agree with the first point about empty seats and it would have a hugely detrimental contribution to our atmosphere.

My point is why add additional costs to facilitate adding those empty seats which in themselves will add substantial costs to our initial outlay?

Also, if the fan base grows as people desire, then the retractable roof will ultimately become redundant so would the cost have been worth it?

And when you consider that a sliding roof will most probably not be weight-bearing and will require extra machinery/pneumatics, it will cost a bit!

Therefore it will be more sensible to have the empty seats with all the negatives, or just build a stadium that will suit our potential capacities needs.
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Ok, sliding roof may be a bit fanciful, but I still think they should build to maximum stretch capacity and have a proper method of masking or hiding the unused seats for the lower-demand games.
 
Brennan said:
People in this thread seem to be wilfully ignoring the issue of cost.

A 65,000 seater stadium would cost significantly more than a 55,000 seater stadium if both were built to the same standard. As promising as Moshiri's statements have been I doubt he's going to write us a blank cheque for the construction of a new ground so that money, and thus that debt will be an issue.

It makes far more sense to build a great stadium with room to expand if and when we are successful than to take a huge gamble on future success. If we get to where people think Moshiri wants us to be then funding expansion would not be an issue.

Living within your means, to an extent, is important.
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I understand what your saying and agree up to a point. However it would be cheaper to build a larger stadium ,than to increase capacity at a later date. You would have to rehire the construction plant and workforce. The materials would cost more,and you may lose some existing capacity if the build exceeds the close season. In addition to this the reason you would be building the extension, the potential extra support, would be unable to attend and may drift away again. It's a calculated gamble certainly but all success in business is built on risk. The bigger the risk the bigger the gain.
 
I had to go to Wigan for a couple of months as part of my apprenticeship in the late 80's. Wigan RL were winning everything at the time and were always at Wembley. Football finals were always 100k so I couldn't understand why rugby finals were around the 88k figure.
So they explained it to me. The average rugby fan was bigger and so they needed more room.
There's the answer ladies and gentlemen...we all need to get fatter to fill our sparky new ground...problem solved.
 
kithnou said:
Respectfully mate, that's like the misses telling me 6 inches will do the job, so why have one any bigger? Because we can, and its impressive! Bigger is better for me. :D

We have the money now (hopefully?), so let's not think expansion will be easy in the future.
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Just to clarify mate, you're talking about Everton and a stadium "expansion" here, right? ;)
 

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