New Everton Stadium

[orly]

Followed by Winter Warmer Waterfront Wonderland.

Woeful Winter of Whatmighthavebeen

 

[The Cowboy]

So whilst the website may be out of date, if someone, under FOI, wanted to know the current owners, would the Land Registry have to provide that information?

Or are you (conveniently) suggesting that the whole process takes weeks and until it's on the website, no-one at the Land Registry could tell you if there's been a change of ownership?

 

[mightymoyes]

With the exception of the cladding , every strategic move the summer has made since the arrival of Moshiri has been with a view of revitalising an asset or purchasing cheap to eventually sell at a higher price.

People talk about Koeman costing us £7m. If we go up three places in the league in the final standings, that's paid for itself. Plus, he has the Southampton record of getting tosh players going again so that daft clubs pay grotesquely overblown prices for them. Walsh is much the same. Some serious profits to be made. The sole aberration here is the mental Bolasie fee.

Why on earth do people think we will pay £30m for some land (which we haven't done yet as the Land Registry clearly shows) when we could have two much cheaper options - Stonebridge Cross or renovate Goodison and wait for the Commonwealth Games bid?

The truly sad thing about the Moshiri "Trojan Horse" investment is that it's been a missed opportunity to affect real change ie get rid of Bill and Bob.

A shame.

the players we bought are not going to be sold on for a higher price with the possible exception of gueye but hes 27 so would have to be sold soon!

 

[orly]

the players we bought are not going to be sold on for a higher price with the possible exception of gueye but hes 27 so would have to be sold soon!

You could sell Stekelenburg for a couple of million.

You could sell Gueye for £25m + easily if he keeps this form up

You could sell Williams for more than £12m easily. That was an absolute steal.

In terms of what he inherited, if he gets Barkley right that is £35m+ of pure profit. Lukaku doubles your initial payment.

As said, the only aberration in terms of the signings was Bolasie.

So apply this same logic to the stadium and you've got the Docks (Bolasie), renovate Goodison (Barkley) or Stonebridge Cross (Snivelley)

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

IF the land at the dock or any land at all for that matter has been bought then there is a 2 month period after that when the transaction has to be registered. It then takes around 2 weeks after the registration for the forms to appear on the land registry. So if the purchase was made 6 weeks ago, as some suggest, the Land Registry may not even know for another 2 or 3 weeks and then the clock starts ticking on their processes.

So if the mad theory about Everton wanting to keep quiet for a big announcement at either the AGM or Stadiums R Us Convention is true then it wouldn't be difficult for EFC to keep it out of the public domain until the end of October, possibly even later.

 

[orly]

IF the land at the dock or any land at all for that matter has been bought then there is a 2 month period after that when the transaction has to be registered. It then takes around 2 weeks after the registration for the forms to appear on the land registry. So if the purchase was made 6 weeks ago, as some suggest, the Land Registry may not even know for another 2 or 3 weeks and then the clock starts ticking on their processes.

So if the mad theory about Everton wanting to keep quiet for a big announcement at either the AGM or Stadiums R Us Convention is true then it wouldn't be difficult for EFC to keep it out of the public domain until the end of October, possibly even later.

But as the weeks go on, and the amount of involved parties gets bigger, the risk of it being confirmed by a leaked document or similar increases and takes all that steam out of the big reveal. This is just not the William Kenwright way.

 

[blueblue]

But there you have it Friend.

You are gambling on lots of things - no repeat of the global recession (and cyclical history suggests we are due another one shortly) and an exponential appetite for football across the world. Won't be long until football has rinsed the interest out of the lost Amazon tribes.

So a stadium on the docks costs you £30m before even a spade is wielded in anger. You could do this, but why bother? You could wait for the Commonwealth Wealth games and go down the City route, fantastic, that's £30m avoided and a cracking entry point to all sorts of financial boons. Hey, you may even get local government to fund the lot!

Had Moshiri come in, cleared the debt (no evidence) undone us from the clandestine network of weird borrowing structures that have leeched from us (quite the opposite) and swung his metaphorical financial dong around this summer, this idea of a dockside mega stadium would make sense. But that's not what's happened.

Can we afford to wait another decade?
So far we have been relatively lucky in that apart from the wealthy clubs like Chelsea, Utd, City and Arsenal we have not slipped too far behind the rest. That does seem to be changing , Liverpool, Spurs and maybe even Leicester are all clubs that seem finally to have gotten their acts together. We run the risk of being left behind completely by eight or nine clubs.
Yes, anything can happen to affect the appetite for football, but that will affect all the other clubs just as badly as us.

We were lucky that David Moyes kept us competitive over a long period on a shoestring budget. But, even in the two/three years since he left our stature as a club has fallen badly.

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[The Esk]

Or are you (conveniently) suggesting that the whole process takes weeks and until it's on the website, no-one at the Land Registry could tell you if there's been a change of ownership?

I'm not sure what the convenient reference means.

Without checking with a lawyer I couldn't tell you when the LR might know of a change in ownership, just that it's not unusual, particularly when one or more, and/or part of plots (requiring new land boundaries to be drawn) are involved it can take several months to appear on the site.

 

[Onwards Evertonians]

I think people are getting way ahead of themselves over the Commonwealth Games bid. We are only looking into bidding for it at this stage and then we'd have to get the relevant authorities to agree to move to the next stage and then we'd have to win the bid to actually get the games. By putting this event and the much needed stadium together are a long-shot.

 

[orly]

Can we afford to wait another decade?
So far we have been relatively lucky in that apart from the wealthy clubs like Chelsea, Utd, City and Arsenal we have not slipped too far behind the rest. That does seem to be changing , Liverpool, Spurs and maybe even Leicester are all clubs that seem finally to have gotten their acts together. We run the risk of being left behind completely by eight or nine clubs.
Yes, anything can happen to affect the appetite for football, but that will affect all the other clubs just as badly as us.

We were lucky that David Moyes kept us competitive over a long period on a shoestring budget. But, even in the two/three years since he left our stature as a club has fallen badly.

I

Good points mate, I think the vast majority on here would agree with you about the critical influence of Moyes.

Definitely agree we can't afford to wait another decade. But renovating Goodison could be the solution - it was among the solutions out forward against the Club in the times of Destination Kirkby - and Stonebridge Cross would be a local government popular solution. Or, the Commonwealth Games bid ticks a lot of boxes.

My general drive here - substantiated by the weight of evidence both of the Kenwright era and the first six months of Moshiri - is that we are not wildly different in terms of outlook and execution to the Robert Earle investment. We will be looking at options that primarily are good for making short to medium term profits.

 

[orly]

I think people are getting way ahead of themselves over the Commonwealth Games bid. We are only looking into bidding for it at this stage and then we'd have to get the relevant authorities to agree to move to the next stage and then we'd have to win the bid to actually get the games. By putting this event and the much needed stadium together are a long-shot.

But it's astonishingly convenient .

It goes through and we get a stadium for little or nothing.

It doesn't go through and we've got the King's Dock / Moutinho/ Sissoko / oh-look-at-least-we-tried spiel that has long kept the Friends of William in the gig.

Let's be surprised, not confident

 

[The Cowboy]

I'm not sure what the convenient reference means.

Without checking with a lawyer I couldn't tell you when the LR might know of a change in ownership, just that it's not unusual, particularly when one or more, and/or part of plots (requiring new land boundaries to be drawn) are involved it can take several months to appear on the site.

The 'convenient' bit was a cheeky reference that it covers the ITKs backs regarding the land purchase. Just being mischievous.

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

But as the weeks go on, and the amount of involved parties gets bigger, the risk of it being confirmed by a leaked document or similar increases and takes all that steam out of the big reveal. This is just not the William Kenwright way.

I'm not saying it's happening, I don't really buy in to conspiraceeeees. If the club keep their mouths shut on any land purchase now or in the future though I doubt it would come out. No one else is arsed.

 

[orly]

I'm not saying it's happening, I don't really buy in to conspiraceeeees. If the club keep their mouths shut on any land purchase now or in the future though I doubt it would come out. No one else is arsed.

Exactly - no one beyond our fanbase and a few bitter Kopites could really care less. So if they've bought it, they'd have announced it. But they can't announce something they haven't bought.

I think we can all agree on this.

 

[The Esk]

The 'convenient' bit was a cheeky reference that it covers the ITKs backs regarding the land purchase. Just being mischievous.

Regardless of when the LR shows a change, I'm certain the club will announce before the AGM it's plans for our new stadium, including location and purchase subject to planning approval.