New Everton Stadium

[bluebrotha77]

RS fans on twitter lol lol gonna be devastated when we get this aren't the

‏@64_bit_hero 22h22 hours ago
Why are Everton building a new stadium on the Liverpool waterfront when they're from Everton and not Liverpool

1. Matthew Mckeown ‏@MJames1973 22h
   @64_bit_hero they're also from Liverpool are they not?
   
   . ‏@64_bit_hero 21h
2. @MJames1973 No, Everton.
   
   
   

oh my sweet mother of jesus.ffs

 

[Jacko93]

So per my original question - nothing about the site itself in terms of structural suitability?

By the time it gets to Planning, it will already be known as to whether the site will be suitable to support a stadium. It will be well on with design.

 

[RobSpurs]

@Jacko93 @The Esk @RobSpurs Are you able to explain what the steps are now in terms of Everton actually 100% securing the ground move to the docks? From reading various posts I gather Jacko93 and The Esk are confident we have an agreement with Peel for the purchase of the land.

I'm guessing the complications, if any, will be different for Everton. Our biggest hurdles were

a) making the project financially viable (and I don't believe it's that big a coincidence that things started really moving after the huge new TV contracts came into play) and...

b) buying up the premises of, and compensating the (roughly 70) businesses on the trading estate on the land required, the last one of which, Arwchway Steel, took ages. In the end the council CPOd that property for us, but that decision had to be ratified by the Secreary of State, which took a full 18 months.

I don't doubt with the money in the game now you could build a new stadium (depending on what kind of returns Moshiri wants), and as far as I can tell the site you want to build on is pretty empty so you won't be moving other people out. It seems to me reading this thread the biggest question mark might be over the remedial work required to get the site to a point where it can be built on and who pays for that. I'm guessing infilling docks isn't a cheap job and I'm also guessing the council isn't exactly flush with cash.

As for the planning, the council will want their pound of flesh and this comes in the form of an s106 agreement which basically says, "if we give this planning permission you'll include something in the scheme for us". That something might be affordable housing, money for surrounding infrastructure, basically anything the council might like that will help the area. The club and the council will haggle over this and that could take some time if either or both parties are belligerent. Discussions will also need to be had with other parties like local police, transport providers etc to make sure the area can cope with the crowds. In our case that resulted in an agreement to increase the capacity of WHL station from TfL.

It looks straightforward insofar as everyone now seems to be pulling in the same direction, but the haggling will come when the question of who pays for what is raised. Enjoy the ride lol

 

[The Cowboy]

By the time it gets to Planning, it will already be known as to whether the site will be suitable to support a stadium. It will be well on with design.

Well hopefully, if we've agreed a purchase subject to planning, then it has already been established that the site is fit for purpose.

 

[rylojr]

A few images of jazzy modern stadiums I thought I would share.

First up - This is the Arena Panatal, Cuiba, Brazil. One of the venues for the 2014 World cup. Current capacity - 44,003. ( I would not of course, sanction anything less than 60, 000 capacity for Everton with easy expansion if need be, but this ground really caught my eye).

Got a very familiar old-school 4-stand design to it, but I really like the wraparound exterior and the frankly boss lighting system, which uses the clean lines of the stadium outline in a clever and unique way.

 

[Jacko93]

Lets not forget that outline planning has already been granted for the entire Liverpool Waters scheme. That includes Residential business and leisure. Any further planning applications will happen after Stage 3, the developed design. Everything will be well on its way then. I wouldn't expect public consultation to be happening for over at least 12 months yet. Will have to be something major to stop it at that point. Hence why the majority of developments are approved with conditions rather than outright refused.

Liverpool is undergoing huge expansion and development at the moment with the council encouraging as much as possible. I don't forsee ANY issues with planning.

 

[Chewbacca]

Agree with this. Let's just hope it's a decent brand.

I want the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, purely as they are the biggest registered company in the world and can give us the largest amount of money without blinking an eye

 

[rylojr]

Next - Itaipava Arena Pernambuco , Brazil. Capacity - 44,300. Again, I'd add at least another 15,000 to this number as a starting point, it's the deign I'm more interested in.

Got a really cool space-age look to it and a smart dramatic sweep to the stands. All-enclosed corners as well, important for adverse dockside weather....

Plus, just check out the lighting effects.....

That would be fantastic for night games.

 

[catcherintherye]

Just regarding the likely deal in place. When deals are struck it is rarely just one agreement and everything gets done. Reaching an agreement is normally a longwinded process and often when a deal is signed off it will not be released for some time afterwards.

There will normally be a verbal agreement, followed by an agreement at a meeting, a written agreement on an email or a solicitors letter then finally a contractual agreement. Often there may be a written agreement but it may be subject to x/y/z or confirmation of time scales for payment, or for the council to do x/y/z with local traffic or local businesses before it can officially be announced.

Take one scenario for example. To accommodate EFC they need to move to clothes shops. If you are LCC you will need to negotiate a settlement with them. If you have already announced the deal with EFC and I am one of those shops I will just put the cost to relocate up by double as I know you are in a difficult place. If you haven't announced it and formerly agreed your negotiating position is stronger. The Council may well make EFC wait for announcement until they have sorted everything out.

Likewise with EFC if we announce it before Contractual terms come out, if I am selling the land for Peel holdings for 30 million I immediately ring back and tell Everton it's now 50 million. It's not a fair way of operating but I might be on a 0.1% commission on the sale of that land and an extra 10 million pounds (if they have to agree to 40 million) is worth 10k to me. Business is cut throat like that. Once you realise someone has agreed to one decision publically you know they are committed and will be under enormous pressure to complete. The 10 million to our business will be less pressure than the criticism from their own fan base if it all falls through. Something similar happened with Brahimi in September when Porto at the last minute upped their price 10 million pounds.

In this deal you currently have EFC, Peel Holdings and LCC who all have their own agenda. They will all need to finalise loose ends. The idea that you will announce your attentions before all of those are tied up is ludicrous and not the done practice in business. It leads you to be in a weak position. I know people are frustrated by "lack of progress" but this is not in lieu of no activity like before under Kenwright. This is because stuff is actually going on.

 

[ggooggooggoo]

Just regarding the likely deal in place. When deals are struck it is rarely just one agreement and everything gets done. Reaching an agreement is normally a longwinded process and often when a deal is signed off it will not be released for some time afterwards.

There will normally be a verbal agreement, followed by an agreement at a meeting, a written agreement on an email or a solicitors letter then finally a contractual agreement. Often there may be a written agreement but it may be subject to x/y/z or confirmation of time scales for payment, or for the council to do x/y/z with local traffic or local businesses before it can officially be announced.

Take one scenario for example. To accommodate EFC they need to move to clothes shops. If you are LCC you will need to negotiate a settlement with them. If you have already announced the deal with EFC and I am one of those shops I will just put the cost to relocate up by double as I know you are in a difficult place. If you haven't announced it and formerly agreed your negotiating position is stronger. The Council may well make EFC wait for announcement until they have sorted everything out.

Likewise with EFC if we announce it before Contractual terms come out, if I am selling the land for Peel holdings for 30 million I immediately ring back and tell Everton it's now 50 million. It's not a fair way of operating but I might be on a 0.1% commission on the sale of that land and an extra 10 million pounds (if they have to agree to 40 million) is worth 10k to me. Business is cut throat like that. Once you realise someone has agreed to one decision publically you know they are committed and will be under enormous pressure to complete. The 10 million to our business will be less pressure than the criticism from their own fan base if it all falls through. Something similar happened with Brahimi in September when Porto at the last minute upped their price 10 million pounds.

In this deal you currently have EFC, Peel Holdings and LCC who all have their own agenda. They will all need to finalise loose ends. The idea that you will announce your attentions before all of those are tied up is ludicrous and not the done practice in business. It leads you to be in a weak position. I know people are frustrated by "lack of progress" but this is not in lieu of no activity like before under Kenwright. This is because stuff is actually going on.

Now i know how my mum felt when dad returned from the war...........what a relief thanks mate.

 

[windymiller]

It has to be called as to its location. Bramley-Moore Dockside stadium.

Absolutely this. This giving a stadium a name thing is a predominantly a modern development. Goodison Park is because of Goodison Road, just call it the [insert sponsor name] Bramley-Moore Dock.

 

[Eggs]

...new £50m cruise ship terminal planned;

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/50m-make-new-liverpool-cruise-12057581

 

[Jacko93]

...new £50m cruise ship terminal planned;

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/50m-make-new-liverpool-cruise-12057581

Yup, potential for Cunard to restart transatlantic cruises as well. Last thing you see leaving New York, the Statue of Liberty. First thing you see in Britain, Stadium of the Trinity.

Lovely.

 

[Nil Satis Niasse Optimum]

The RS will be absolutely livid at the council approving all of these fantastic plans for the docks, modernising the whole area and attracting millions of pounds worth of investment and hundreds of thousands of new visitors every year... and the first thing they see is our 95,000 all-seater gold-plated-seat stadium. Get in.

 

[evertonarntwe]

imagine having that big massive light up thing, imagine how many bulbs we'd go through