New Everton Stadium

[JordanianEmbassy]

Was the park end not designed so that a second tier could be added if required?

Better than that - the Main Stand was built so that it overshot the end of the pitch at the Park End. The idea was so that when a new Park End was built, the pitch could be moved back so it was in line with the Main Stand. There would then be room to build a massive new 2 tier Park End stand (eg as big as the Holte End which holds 13,000 seated) and also create the room to knock down the Street End and built a bigger stand there (which would then be in front of the church).

 

[BNJ1878]

Better than that - the Main Stand was built so that it overshot the end of the pitch at the Park End. The idea was so that when a new Park End was built, the pitch could be moved back so it was in line with the Main Stand. There would then be room to build a massive new 2 tier Park End stand (eg as big as the Holte End which holds 13,000 seated) and also create the room to knock down the Street End and built a bigger stand there (which would then be in front of the church).

Learn something new every day. I had no idea that's why it extended beyond the pitch. Cheers.

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Learn something new every day. I had no idea that's why it extended beyond the pitch. Cheers.

This was all taken into account when redevelopment plans were drawn up by architects and presented to the club post Kirkby. I've got a draft of these docs somewhere. They also include plans as to how the main stand could be reconfigured to get rid of the obstructed views and add a new row of executive boxes below the top balcony. (btw my avatar is lifted from these docs)

 

[BNJ1878]

This was all taken into account when redevelopment plans were drawn up by architects and presented to the club post Kirkby. I've got a draft of these docs somewhere. They also include plans as to how the main stand could be reconfigured to get rid of the obstructed views and add a new row of executive boxes below the top balcony. (btw my avatar is lifted from these docs)

I don't remember seeing that image but I remember the GFE paper, I found it is still hosted on Toffeeweb.

http://toffeeweb.com/club/goodison/Redeveloped_Goodison_Park.pdf

 

[kithnou]

That's just it, since "True Blue Holdings" have come in, the debt has increased, we have sold everything except Goodison and we have have 2 ground moves dangled infront of us.

One massive missed opportunity and one cow shed dressed up as a great chance for us to move forward.

These failures despite it being the richest period football has ever known!

*If* BK was a foriegn investor he would be getting it down the banks every home game.

Being Blue hides his dismal failings to the majority.

Clearly as a collective, and the support Kirkby got in the supporter "vote" showed, this supporter base really isn't as intelligent as it thinks it is.
We aren't going to compete with this Board. We may win a Cup if we get lucky, and it will be luck, not skillful pre planning. Yet people don't seem to care.
Oh well...
As for the new stadium? Any fool can see we are in there begging for a handout from anyone that will give us a free ride. Once again, we may get lucky, but it won't come down to any pre planning.
Hate the thought of ever getting relegated, but if it's the only way to ever get rid of them? Gee it is tempting...

 

[BNJ1878]

I'm really disappointed that The Blue Union have lost their direction. They were always facing an uphill battle gaining support (or at least willing ears) who would question the board a bit more, but now they just seem to moan about all sorts.

Reduced away travel, Stub hub "touting" (by the way, their 'naming and shaming' of ST holders is absolutely disgraceful), ticket prices in general, safe standing. All points worthy of debate but that's NOT why they first got together. Couple that with the previously mentioned applause of Chairman Mao at the Villa game and it would take something monumental to dislodge him.

 

[SingBlue]

I'm really disappointed that The Blue Union have lost their direction. They were always facing an uphill battle gaining support (or at least willing ears) who would question the board a bit more, but now they just seem to moan about all sorts.

Reduced away travel, Stub hub "touting" (by the way, their 'naming and shaming' of ST holders is absolutely disgraceful), ticket prices in general, safe standing. All points worthy of debate but that's NOT why they first got together. Couple that with the previously mentioned applause of Chairman Mao at the Villa game and it would take something monumental to dislodge him.

I think the problem with the BU when it formed was that it was a mish-mash of aims and objectives to begin with. I admire their adoption of policies at the outset to be inclusive, but they failed to convey what they were about sufficiently in my view.
I believed their raison d'etre was to raise awareness of the Board's inability to take Everton forward, and inability to find someone able to do so, and to try to help facilitate that if at all possible.
I went to some of the meetings, as I'd just returned from living in Asia, and there were some very eloquent and astute Blues, who truly wanted what was best for the club. Unfortunately, at that time we were doing alright on the pitch (although the footy itself wasn't great from memory), and too many people in the wider fanbase thought they were being disruptive. It wasn't about Moyes and the team, it was about ownership, but there were also a few Millie Tants in their ranks who were anti-Moyes and latched their aims onto the BU, causing further alienation within the fanbase. Putty in the hands of the club's spin doctors, able to peddle an anti-BU rhetoric that they maintain to this day.

The club fractured the fanbase during the Kirkby debacle, and those differences remain to this day. The advent of t'interweb has seen people lose the art of debate, and too quickly online discussions degenerate. ToffeeWeb is a really good "bad" example of that during the Kirkby period, and it remains to this day (was never a GOT reader then, sorry).

 

[McBain]

Ok has it been months yet?

 

[BNJ1878]

I think the problem with the BU when it formed was that it was a mish-mash of aims and objectives to begin with. I admire their adoption of policies at the outset to be inclusive, but they failed to convey what they were about sufficiently in my view.
I believed their raison d'etre was to raise awareness of the Board's inability to take Everton forward, and inability to find someone able to do so, and to try to help facilitate that if at all possible.
I went to some of the meetings, as I'd just returned from living in Asia, and there were some very eloquent and astute Blues, who truly wanted what was best for the club. Unfortunately, at that time we were doing alright on the pitch (although the footy itself wasn't great from memory), and too many people in the wider fanbase thought they were being disruptive. It wasn't about Moyes and the team, it was about ownership, but there were also a few Millie Tants in their ranks who were anti-Moyes and latched their aims onto the BU, causing further alienation within the fanbase. Putty in the hands of the club's spin doctors, able to peddle an anti-BU rhetoric that they maintain to this day.

The club fractured the fanbase during the Kirkby debacle, and those differences remain to this day. The advent of t'interweb has seen people lose the art of debate, and too quickly online discussions degenerate. ToffeeWeb is a really good "bad" example of that during the Kirkby period, and it remains to this day (was never a GOT reader then, sorry).

That's the issue....that was the original focus yet 'too many cooks' meant it wandered off down all the other previously mentioned avenues. It's a real pity because as you say, they got some real talent together who had plenty to offer.

 

[bobafro]

Clearly as a collective, and the support Kirkby got in the supporter "vote" showed, this supporter base really isn't as intelligent as it thinks it is.
We aren't going to compete with this Board. We may win a Cup if we get lucky, and it will be luck, not skillful pre planning. Yet people don't seem to care.
Oh well...
As for the new stadium? Any fool can see we are in there begging for a handout from anyone that will give us a free ride. Once again, we may get lucky, but it won't come down to any pre planning.
Hate the thought of ever getting relegated, but if it the only way to ever get rid of them? Gee it is tempting...

Wow.

Just wow.

Honestly can't believe that I just read this.

 

[nil satis]

Clearly as a collective, and the support Kirkby got in the supporter "vote" showed, this supporter base really isn't as intelligent as it thinks it is.
We aren't going to compete with this Board. We may win a Cup if we get lucky, and it will be luck, not skillful pre planning. Yet people don't seem to care.
Oh well...
As for the new stadium? Any fool can see we are in there begging for a handout from anyone that will give us a free ride. Once again, we may get lucky, but it won't come down to any pre planning.
Hate the thought of ever getting relegated, but if it the only way to ever get rid of them? Gee it is tempting...

Amazingly arrogant, do you think we are all hanging on your every word???? If you cant see other peoples views its may be ,just maybe its you that isn't the brightest.

 

[TheFinnFan]

if there would be any news it wouldnt be puplished yet anyways. only after we secure our place in PL. bottom line that.

 

[Bluesnapper]

I'm really disappointed that The Blue Union have lost their direction. They were always facing an uphill battle gaining support (or at least willing ears) who would question the board a bit more, but now they just seem to moan about all sorts.

Reduced away travel, Stub hub "touting" (by the way, their 'naming and shaming' of ST holders is absolutely disgraceful), ticket prices in general, safe standing. All points worthy of debate but that's NOT why they first got together. Couple that with the previously mentioned applause of Chairman Mao at the Villa game and it would take something monumental to dislodge him.

You are harsh there regarding the BU, who are incidentally a pressure group.

If everything was fine and dandy, which at our club is impossible, then there wouldnt be any need to moan. Why would anyone moan if things are perfect?

Incidentally I notice that the club is more acceptable to their cause nowadays too even mentioning their aims and objectives!

The meeting was attended by the Merseyside Police commander for the fixture, the disabled representative for the Liverpool Supporters Club, Anfield’s matchday safety officer, the chief steward from Anfield, the chairman of the Liverpool Supporters’ Association, members from Everton's Fans’ Forum, The Blue Union and the Spirit of Shankly as well as Goodison’s chief steward and staff from Everton’s Media & Communications team.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2015/01/22/merseyside-derby-meeting

 

[Toffeelover]

This was all taken into account when redevelopment plans were drawn up by architects and presented to the club post Kirkby. I've got a draft of these docs somewhere. They also include plans as to how the main stand could be reconfigured to get rid of the obstructed views and add a new row of executive boxes below the top balcony. (btw my avatar is lifted from these docs)

So what happened to that plan?

 

[kithnou]

Wow.

Just wow.

Honestly can't believe that I just read this.

Sorry to have to do it to you. Try and erase it completely from memory banks