Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
HAHA being coy now mate, okay where do you want the stadium to be located?
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HAHA being coy now mate, okay where do you want the stadium to be located?
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £30m
A bright new shiny stadium on Bramley Moore Dock.
F the expense
Beg steal or borrow the money and get a stadium to rival the best in the country
A stadium that will last for 100 years and one that we can all be proud of.
It might cost 500 m now but in ten years time it will cost 750 m
I’ve sat on enough restricted views over the years and waded though enough urine covered toilets to know we deserve better
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £30m
Been reading some recent comments. Dogs of War setting the bar at 55,000. How unambitious. I think 65,000 as it makes a statement, it's second only to United. We'd fill it. People waffling about current average attendences etc are very short sighted indeed.
We expand there will be more that is clear due ST waiting lists but also due to new territory new stadium, no posts, new corporate and private boxes. There always is a bigger pull look at Bolton when they moved, or even Sunderland from about 19,000 at Roker Park to 47,000.
As for Man City, I think they're going up to 60,000.
Why would you want to be below them? And West Ham? Arsenal? Tottenham? Chelsea (future)? Probably the RS? Barely above Newcastle?
We need to accelerate getting back with top teams. The stadium is one way off the pitch at least.
We expand there will be more that is clear due ST waiting lists but also due to new territory new stadium, no posts, new corporate and private boxes. There always is a bigger pull look at Bolton when they moved, or even Sunderland from about 19,000 at Roker Park to 47,000.
As for Man City, I think they're going up to 60,000.
Why would you want to be below them? And West Ham? Arsenal? Tottenham? Chelsea (future)? Probably the RS? Barely above Newcastle?
We need to accelerate getting back with top teams. The stadium is one way off the pitch at least.
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Dogs_of_War
Player Valuation: £500k
Being realistic, not unambitious mate.
We won’t fill 65,000, not on a regular basis anyway. Having a bigger capacity than the top 6 won’t accelerate ‘getting back with the top teams’.
Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Absolutely, and god awful booze from a tiny bar. I am with you all the way on the stadium as you know. Plus in the future this will be a hell of a plus on the balance sheet once the debt has been cleared, Everton will be a club of some value and prestige.
Our neighbours were being offered Stanley Park on a plate for a new stadium but they said no after a while. So ask why, well look at all the misery they caused in the Kemlyn Road area over the years. How would they have excused that? AS for the redeveloped stand, it makes IMO Anfield look lobsided and still stuck in an awful location. The RS are green with envy of Everton having a landmark stadium on the waterfront. Wish the club would hurry up.
Well I’ve been of the view that Moshiri is here to build a stadium
Why is anyone’s guess
It could be to pave the way for his pal to come onboard and wipe out the debt later on
Seemingly Moshiri is a cleaner candidate than his pal for govt bodies to deal with
It could be to kickstart the docks developement and make money there , more than he’s invested in Everton.
It’s the purchase of the Liver building with Corestate ( google them ) that has me thinking something big is afoot.
Corestate are major players in the European real estate market
Builders build Shops offices Apt’s and Corestate buy them and manage and rent them out.
They have a very limited footprint in Britain so why the Liver building and why now
All speculation and heresay but I firmly believe we will end up with s top class stadium on the docks that will be purpose built to squeeze every last penny out of it both in matchday and non matchday revenue
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £30m
There you go again. When I say accelarate I am referring to off the pitch as we are clearly lagging behind in an outdated stadium. That bigger new stadium then in itself gives Everton a bigger audience all that "unique" talk and the Mersey waterfront will be massive in attracting the better players and then getting us better on the pitch.
Why won't we fill 65,000? Sometimes there will be less, it happens at Arsenal. At least provide the seats and the big games will fill up.
Dogs_of_War
Player Valuation: £500k
You’re comparing Goodison to a new stadium there, that’s got nothing to do with what I said. The stadium will generate money through improved corporate facilities. An extra 5,000 on the capacity won’t make a difference.
Why do you think Liverpool rebuilt the main stand? Because the corporate facilities & revenue generated was lacking behind the likes of United & Arsenal.
Why would we fill 65,000? What evidence is there that we’d be able to maintain anything close to that sort of attendance. There isn’t any.
Goodison currently holds 39,572
Our average attendance is 39,310
We’ve got about 32,000 season ticket holders
You’re looking for a 65% increase in our average attendances, West Ham managed a 58% with significantly discounted tickets, Arsenal managed a 56% jump and Man City about 57% from their last season at Main Road to now.
Have a read of this whilst you’re at it aswell.. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....all/blog/2013/sep/17/athletic-bilbao-sid-lowe
Athletic Bilbao built a 53,000 capacity stadium ‘to ensure their famous atmosphere remains intact’, even though they could have filled a bigger ground. Thought that’s what we wanted? An atmospheric stadium? Or are we going for a half-empty soulless bowl, just to try and cram a few extra in?
MickA
Player Valuation: £10m
Sorry I just don't think Dublin and Liverpool are comparable at all. It's very simplistic to link the two just because both had/have run down docklands.
Dublin is a capital city that could directly face off to London, we simply cannot. There's great potential in LW but I'll be amazed if we get half of what Salford Quays have never mind anywhere near the calibre of tenants Dublin has. As for competing with London forget it.
I think it'll be 45,000 with 3,000 exec seats.
Like this, please Mr Mosh
Davideeyore
Player Valuation: £30m
Man, every point I make you miss.
-More corporate facilities means our turnover will improve massively, but also more people attending! It's the corporate market. Goodison can't accommodate barely any.
-Re average attendences. Did you not see my point on Sunderland? From 19,000 to 47,000? (Not sure what their attendances are now but that's not relevent if we have ambitions to be successful).
-Our capacity is restricted. Yet we sell out even with restricted views and a shockingly poor team and more than two decades of starved success. Arsenal, West Ham and Tottenham all had at the time a capacity less than ours is at present, then jump up massively.
-All new stadiums have a jump in attendances.
-Re Bilbao, and half empty soulless bowl theory. Build it and they will come. The appeal of the stadium itself and the waterfront location the new growth will have a big pull and will hopefully work in tandum with a successful team on the pitch.
-The 11 Key Principles, at least on paper 'in principle' shows the club want to be ambitions. Just a few points:
* Our players will be inspired when playing in this stadium. Opponents will be envious. By enhancing the profile and reputation of Everton Football Club, the stadium will play its part in attracting the best footballing talent.
* However, fans will appreciate that Goodison has a number of limitations; restrictions that are holding us back as we look to compete at the highest level both on and off the field.
* We know that demand for tickets at Goodison Park outstrips supply and we have a growing waiting list for Season Tickets and Lounge Memberships. Moving to Bramley-Moore Dock will enable us to allow more fans to enjoy the Everton matchday experience.
* The higher capacity, coupled with increased and more-varied hospitality provision, will enable financial growth. However, we remain committed to keeping football affordable.
* The iconic nature of our new home, coupled with the first-class facilities we will provide our broadcast partners, will make Bramley-Moore Dock an inviting proposition for live TV selection.
* Working with renowned architect Dan Meis, we will deliver a ground-breaking stadium that will become internationally recognised, envied and talked-about by all.
A 55,000 seater stadium, remaining behind all of our peers and West Ham would in my opinion mean these statements are a little hollow. Even if the stadium was with superb facilities it's still saying 'we're not quite as ambitious as the likes of Tottenham' even though we should be just as ambitious if not more than as we're Everton. Not West Ham or Newcastle. Or Leicester.