New Everton Stadium

[jayonenote]

Like this, please Mr Mosh

Yes the Juve template is my fav so far

 

[Dogs_of_War]

Man, every point I make you miss.

-More corporate facilities means our turnover will improve massively, but also more people attending! It's the corporate market. Goodison can't accommodate barely any.
-Re average attendences. Did you not see my point on Sunderland? From 19,000 to 47,000? (Not sure what their attendances are now but that's not relevent if we have ambitions to be successful).
-Our capacity is restricted. Yet we sell out even with restricted views and a shockingly poor team and more than two decades of starved success. Arsenal, West Ham and Tottenham all had at the time a capacity less than ours is at present, then jump up massively.
-All new stadiums have a jump in attendances.
-Re Bilbao, and half empty soulless bowl theory. Build it and they will come. The appeal of the stadium itself and the waterfront location the new growth will have a big pull and will hopefully work in tandum with a successful team on the pitch.
-The 11 Key Principles, at least on paper 'in principle' shows the club want to be ambitions. Just a few points:
* Our players will be inspired when playing in this stadium. Opponents will be envious. By enhancing the profile and reputation of Everton Football Club, the stadium will play its part in attracting the best footballing talent.
* However, fans will appreciate that Goodison has a number of limitations; restrictions that are holding us back as we look to compete at the highest level both on and off the field.
* We know that demand for tickets at Goodison Park outstrips supply and we have a growing waiting list for Season Tickets and Lounge Memberships. Moving to Bramley-Moore Dock will enable us to allow more fans to enjoy the Everton matchday experience.
* The higher capacity, coupled with increased and more-varied hospitality provision, will enable financial growth. However, we remain committed to keeping football affordable.
* The iconic nature of our new home, coupled with the first-class facilities we will provide our broadcast partners, will make Bramley-Moore Dock an inviting proposition for live TV selection.
* Working with renowned architect Dan Meis, we will deliver a ground-breaking stadium that will become internationally recognised, envied and talked-about by all.

A 55,000 seater stadium, remaining behind all of our peers and West Ham would in my opinion mean these statements are a little hollow. Even if the stadium was with superb facilities it's still saying 'we're not quite as ambitious as the likes of Tottenham' even though we should be just as ambitious if not more than as we're Everton. Not West Ham or Newcastle. Or Leicester.

I'll number my response so you don't think I'm 'missing your point'.

1. That was my point. Through moving stadiums, we'll generate more additional revenue through increased & improved corporate facilities than we will through additional seats. Hence my point about Liverpool, they rebuilt their Main Stand to add better corporate and hospitality, they charge £9 a ticket for some of the seats in the main stand. They could realistically build a stadium to rival United, but there's no need for them to unless they can add corporate facilities, hence why the Anfield Road redevelopment got scrapped. The additional revenue generated from increased capacity makes very little difference.
2. Sunderland? Their stadium is one of the worst new builds in the country, the atmosphere is terrible and the stadium is half empty most games. Their current average attendance is about 24,000. It was only about 41,000 is their last season in the Prem.
3. Arsenal and West Ham have built two of the worst new stadiums in England, both are soulless bowls & 1 isn't even a football stadium. If we build anything like that on Bramley Moore then we've failed. Tottenham's isn't built yet.
4. I know all (well most) new stadiums have attendance boosts, I've given figures of what sort of boosts Arsenal, Man City & West Ham achieved above. You're expecting/or wishing for Everton to have a significantly bigger boost than all three of them to regularly fill a 65,000 seater stadium.
5. You're quoting a Kevin Costner movie. Which makes sense because everything else you've said sounds like fiction.

A 55,000/60,000 seater stadium gives the club the opportunity to build an iconic stadium, with improved corporate facilities (the main area that we need to play catch up with the 'top' clubs) whilst maintaining what's great about Goodison, an intimidating & atmospheric stadium, that's full every week. There's nothing unambitious about that, if gives the club the platform to compete off the field, whilst maintaining what gives us an advantage at Goodison now.

 

[Dogs_of_War]

In other words
NSNO

Because nothing says Nil Satis Nisi Optimum like a half empty, soulless stadium does it?

 

[GwladysBlue]

Because nothing says Nil Satis Nisi Optimum like a half empty, soulless stadium does it?

You’re saying we’d only average 32,500? Interesting.

 

[roydo]

Because nothing says Nil Satis Nisi Optimum like a half empty, soulless stadium does it?

It will be neither.

Once the flaming thing actually gets built mind.

 

[Dogs_of_War]

You’re saying we’d only average 32,500? Interesting.

You know what I mean. Empty seats all over the gaff doesn't exactly scream NSNO, does it?

 

[Dogs_of_War]

It will be neither.

Once the flaming thing actually gets built mind.

That depends on what we're aiming to build. A 'big' stadium, for the sake of it being big or an atmospheric stadium, that suits the clubs needs.

 

[The binman chronicles]

You know what I mean. Empty seats all over the gaff doesn't exactly scream NSNO, does it?

Luckily we have more and better fans than a lot of people give us credit for. We will fill 60k to > 95% most games.

 

[GwladysBlue]

You know what I mean. Empty seats all over the gaff doesn't exactly scream NSNO, does it?

I don’t have a crystal ball, mate, so I don’t know if there will be empty seats or not.

I know that Everton have attracted crowds in the excess of 75,000+ numerous times in our history.

 

[roydo]

That depends on what we're aiming to build. A 'big' stadium, for the sake of it being big or an atmospheric stadium, that suits the clubs needs.

I dont think they are arsed about whether the capacity is above or below any particular club, like plenty are obsessing about in here. It will be a "big" stadium, but the capacity will be partly limited, or not, by the design and footprint to work on.

 

[Davideeyore]

I'll number my response so you don't think I'm 'missing your point'.

1. That was my point. Through moving stadiums, we'll generate more additional revenue through increased & improved corporate facilities than we will through additional seats. Hence my point about Liverpool, they rebuilt their Main Stand to add better corporate and hospitality, they charge £9 a ticket for some of the seats in the main stand. They could realistically build a stadium to rival United, but there's no need for them to unless they can add corporate facilities, hence why the Anfield Road redevelopment got scrapped. The additional revenue generated from increased capacity makes very little difference.
2. Sunderland? Their stadium is one of the worst new builds in the country, the atmosphere is terrible and the stadium is half empty most games. Their current average attendance is about 24,000. It was only about 41,000 is their last season in the Prem.
3. Arsenal and West Ham have built two of the worst new stadiums in England, both are soulless bowls & 1 isn't even a football stadium. If we build anything like that on Bramley Moore then we've failed. Tottenham's isn't built yet.
4. I know all (well most) new stadiums have attendance boosts, I've given figures of what sort of boosts Arsenal, Man City & West Ham achieved above. You're expecting/or wishing for Everton to have a significantly bigger boost than all three of them to regularly fill a 65,000 seater stadium.
5. You're quoting a Kevin Costner movie. Which makes sense because everything else you've said sounds like fiction.

A 55,000/60,000 seater stadium gives the club the opportunity to build an iconic stadium, with improved corporate facilities (the main area that we need to play catch up with the 'top' clubs) whilst maintaining what's great about Goodison, an intimidating & atmospheric stadium, that's full every week. There's nothing unambitious about that, if gives the club the platform to compete off the field, whilst maintaining what gives us an advantage at Goodison now.

Only going to respond once more we're just on two different levels of what we want as Evertonians. That is my comparisons to Arsenal, West Ham, and Sunderland, was nothing to do with the stadium itself, but the capacity, and the jump in attendances. I pointed out that Sunderland's current attendance wasn't relevant.

 

[Dogs_of_War]

I don’t have a crystal ball, mate, so I don’t know if there will be empty seats or not.

I know that Everton have attracted crowds in the excess of 75,000+ numerous times in our history.

Out highest average attendance in a season is about 51,000 mate.

 

[Dogs_of_War]

Only going to respond once more we're just on two different levels of what we want as Evertonians. That is my comparisons to Arsenal, West Ham, and Sunderland, was nothing to do with the stadium itself, but the capacity, and the jump in capacity. I pointed out that Sunderland's current attendance wasn't relevant.

I want Everton to be the biggest club in the country mate. I believe that us moving to a stadium that suits our needs now and helps to create an intimidating atmosphere will benefit us more than building a 65,000 plus seater stadium, for little more but for an ego boost.

 

[Dogs_of_War]

I dont think they are arsed about whether the capacity is above or below any particular club, like plenty are obsessing about in here. It will be a "big" stadium, but the capacity will be partly limited, or not, by the design and footprint to work on.

I agree mate. My point was that I hope the club try to 'capture' what's good about Goodison & aim to keep the intimidating/atmospheric advantages, over building something stupidly big, that potentially becomes a soulless, empty looking stadium, that we've seen some sides opt for in recent years.

 

[roydo]

I agree mate. My point was that I hope the club try to 'capture' what's good about Goodison & aim to keep the intimidating/atmospheric advantages, over building something stupidly big, that potentially becomes a soulless, empty looking stadium, that we've seen some sides opt for in recent years.

I think they have said that numerous times during the life span of this thread.