New Everton Stadium

[degsy]

Has anybody ever built a stadium "on water" before?

The whole area both sides of the river, including the river its self, sits on a girt big shelf of Sherwood Sandstone...and you haven't got to go too deep before you hit it...Woolton, Thurstason, those tunnels as you come into Lime street, etc
In one of my previous incarnations I did Industrial drain cleaning, dirty but lucrative, I got called to a chinese chippy near the nnottom of Stanhope st by the queens dock, pulled the drain cover in the street and the drain was there cut out of the sandstone...we got free dinners off the guy too.
I would guess that those dock walls are anchored to it... I doubt something of that size just rests on some sand and river mud. The big problem will be when you remove the counter balancing weight of water from inside the dock. In engineering terms its not new tech that has never been done before, essentially just a dam.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

I can't imagine fans of any other club arguing in favour of the option of a smaller stadium. Tottenham's new ground will hold 62,000. Do you think any of the Spurs fans said "62,000 is too big. We need to go for 52,000 like Newcastle because we might end up with a few thousand empty seats."

 

[MarcoM]

The whole area both sides of the river, including the river its self, sits on a girt big shelf of Sherwood Sandstone...and you haven't got to go too deep before you hit it...Woolton, Thurstason, those tunnels as you come into Lime street, etc
In one of my previous incarnations I did Industrial drain cleaning, dirty but lucrative, I got called to a chinese chippy near the nnottom of Stanhope st by the queens dock, pulled the drain cover in the street and the drain was there cut out of the sandstone...we got free dinners off the guy too.
I would guess that those dock walls are anchored to it... I doubt something of that size just rests on some sand and river mud. The big problem will be when you remove the counter balancing weight of water from inside the dock. In engineering terms its not new tech that has never been done before, essentially just a dam.

What the [Poor language removed] has Woolton go to do with the new stadium?

 

[MarcoM]

I can't imagine fans of any other club arguing in favour of the option of a smaller stadium. Tottenham's new ground will hold 62,000. Do you think any of the Spurs fans said "62,000 is too big. We need to go for 52,000 like Newcastle because we might end up with a few thousand empty seats."

Is your head ok george? Looks like it's wobbling...

 

[Frank Halfcoate]

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And they said it couldn't be done.

 

[jonnyboy316]

I can't imagine fans of any other club arguing in favour of the option of a smaller stadium. Tottenham's new ground will hold 62,000. Do you think any of the Spurs fans said "62,000 is too big. We need to go for 52,000 like Newcastle because we might end up with a few thousand empty seats."

Brace yourself for disappointment

 

[degsy]

What the [Poor language removed] has Woolton go to do with the new stadium?

The back up plan is to build a scaled down version in that little fenced in garden across from the Elephant

 

[The Legend of Southall]

Nowhere did I mention a 50k stadium, I quoted my opinions based on a 56k - 58k capacity. But who really knows? The fact is the figure will be reached by a combination of Cost, Space availability, Seat and Stadium Design, Revenue stream and the amount of corporate seats.

What it shouldn't be based on is whether it will be 500 seats more than Spurs new ground or 1000 seats bigger than Anfields next expansion. That's just a fruitless exercise. We should aim to have the best with the best atmosphere, not the biggest after Utd.

Also, it's expected that the new ground will be four sided. Who's to say the architect won't incorporate the possibility of further expansion in the design along the two longitudinal sides of the stadium if needed in 20 or 30 years time when team success demands it.

This is where the club needs to come out and say something. Because if the site will only allow the capacity you mentioned, and the club was honest and said so, they would find a lot of people would be on board with that. I certainly would.

If there is a space to go for 60k plus, then I think we should. It'll be cheaper than expanding in the future, and I don't believe we'll have many issues filling it. Based on historic capacities, current trends, and a clever pricing structure.

Here is a thought, what if the club built a 55k stadium but did it so large parts of it could easily and cheaply be converted into safe standing? Say at a ration of 1:1.5. I reckon that's the way things could be heading

 

[davek]

This is where the club needs to come out and say something. Because if the site will only allow the capacity you mentioned, and the club was honest and said so, they would find a lot of people would be on board with that. I certainly would.
If there is a space to go for 60k plus, then I think we should. It'll be cheaper than expanding in the future, and I don't believe we'll have many issues filling it. Based on historic capacities, current trends, and a clever pricing structure.
Here is a thought, what if the club built a 55k stadium but did it so large parts of it could easily and cheaply be converted into safe standing? Say at a ration of 1:1.5. I reckon that's the way things could be heading

Anither thought: drop the prices.

 

[The Legend of Southall]

Anither thought: drop the prices.

Yep. That would certainly go a long way towards filling a 60k staduim. It doesn't have to be for the whole stadium either. As someone said above, allow 45kish for season tickets, 5kish corporate and up to 5k for away fans. That leaves 5k to fill on a match day. Shouldn't take much to come up with a price structure to fill those remaining seats.

I realise these figures are completely speculative, but they don't need great leaps of the imagination

 

[davek]

Yep. That would certainly go a long way towards filling a 60k staduim. It doesn't have to be for the whole stadium either. As someone said above, allow 45kish for season tickets, 5kish corporate and up to 5k for away fans. That leaves 5k to fill on a match day. Shouldn't take much to come up with a price structure to fill those remaining seats.

I realise these figures are completely speculative, but they don't need great leaps of the imagination

Everton are the club championing the community. Let it underline that by allowing disadvantaged groups in for a price less than others have to pay.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Everything is up in the air Roydo - Feel like this whole thing is on a knife edge right now

Hopefully things will be a lot clearly over the next couple of weeks

lollollol

 

[part time fan]

A new stadium is still a new stadium. And in a better location. No bother of it doesn't hold the entirety of a local population. Just buolb a nice flipping stadium.

 

[Paulie]

I wonder if it was 55k and then standing was brought back the capacity would increase?

 

[mahermi1]

55'000 would do for me, it's quality and location over a larger loft conversion any day. If it's successful and well built there will be room for slightly extending it I'm sure. But I feel we should be getting a little more information on these things from our club, even drawings perhaps of what it's going to look like would help.