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New Everton Stadium

mike91efc said:
Couple of Stadiums in Germany i like (see below). Really think we should look at them. The only thing i dont like it the exteriors on them. I just think ours should be part brick part metal, its in keeping with Bramley Moore Dock itself. Something like Celtic or Rangers from outside would be nice. An all metal look wouldnt be right in my opinion.

Some ideas i like are having a retractable pitch/roof, A museum in the stadium (would be cool to have a cinema room in it to watch videos on the club as part of a stadium tour), a massive fanzone/fanclub with a bar in the New Gwladys Street stand, a built in restaraunt open to the public, 3g pitches and building for events/projects next to the stadium for eitc and maybe a hotel attached similar to boltons stadium.

Stadium we should look at;

Schalke 04- http://www.stadiumguide.com/arenaaufschalke/

Borussia Dortmund- http://www.stadiumguide.com/westfalenstadion/

HSV Hamburg-http://www.stadiumguide.com/hamburgarena/

Whats everyones thoughts on them?
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Honest opinion is that not a single one of them from the outside anyway looks anything other than very dated compared to some more modern stadium designs. would go as far as to say two of them look butt ugly.

Ideally we have an architect isn't gonna be looking at 20 year old (or 50 years old) stadium builds for design inspiration.
 

jackyboy said:
Has anyone listened to the Echo podcast from last Friday? Gavin Buckland first says that we would possibly struggle to fill a 50k, then says we should keep the season ticket numbers down.
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He doesn't have a clue.

He was trying to make out like we are minnows compared to Spurs in terms of fanbase, pointing to their 60K+ (I think it was that number) waiting list. Spurs and Everton have had a very similar number of fans turning up to home games over the years, and obviously at various times, both have been restricted by Capacity. We actually have had a higher average attendance post-war than Spurs, and at our lowest we fell to 19K crowds in the 80's (1984) and they fell to 20K (1986). Hardly points to them being out of our league. They were then selling out a 36K Capacity Stadium in the last 15 years which isn't that impressive either, and from 1990-95 only hit 30K on average once so clearly weren't at 100% of their Capacity. Unsurprisingly this is when Spurs weren't a top 4 side. At their peak in the 50's they were averaging 55K, and at ours in the 60's we were at 51K. Again, hardly suggests that we couldn't dare to compare ourselves to Spurs in terms of fanbase.

This opinion from him that Spurs' fanbase dwarfs ours is laughable.
 
EFC78 said:
He doesn't have a clue.

He was trying to make out like we are minnows compared to Spurs in terms of fanbase, pointing to their 60K+ (I think it was that number) waiting list. Spurs and Everton have had a very similar number of fans turning up to home games over the years, and obviously at various times, both have been restricted by Capacity. We actually have had a higher average attendance post-war than Spurs, and at our lowest we fell to 19K crowds in the 80's (1984) and they fell to 20K (1986). Hardly points to them being out of our league. They were then selling out a 36K Capacity Stadium in the last 15 years which isn't that impressive either, and from 1990-95 only hit 30K on average once so clearly weren't at 100% of their Capacity. Unsurprisingly this is when Spurs weren't a top 4 side. At their peak in the 50's they were averaging 55K, and at ours in the 60's we were at 51K. Again, hardly suggests that we couldn't dare to compare ourselves to Spurs in terms of fanbase.

This opinion from him that Spurs' fanbase dwarfs ours is laughable.
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The echo talking down Everton and Evertonians? I'm not having it
 
SpongeBob brown shoes said:
The echo talking down Everton and Evertonians? I'm not having it
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Can't understand Evertonians like him. Completely stuck in the moment with his attitude about the club as well, accepting all the improvements and progress that other clubs are making, yet only seeing our status regarding where we are now, which is outside of the top 6.

Well if we show ambition, then why can't we try and follow the Spurs path in to the top 4? They have a similar sized fanbase, traditionally a similar sized club who have bigger rivals to deal with, have had years of disappointments yet are trying to put that behind them and aim big with their new Stadium. Gavin Buckland just wants to accept our status as also rans and look over in awe at clubs like Spurs, Man City and Chelsea who only a few years ago had less league titles combined than us.
 
I heard the podcast and i agreed with the part where he said spurs have a London advantage ,and the fact that the demand is more for spurs games because many "tourists in London" want to have PL game experience and buy tickets . I also agreed with the corporate seats demand analysis and hence why Everton should not be compared to West ham and Spurs in that respect . But , listening to the podcast i felt like listening to a biased Spurs fan , as he was rating the spurs fanbase as high as Arsenal . and i remember he said spurs can fill upto 80K after some calculations he did . He surely didnot take into consideration the prices Spurs are planning to charge in the new stadium .

But the podcast wasnot so bad . Atleast that was a good discussion around the new stadium . I was looking for a good debate/discussion around the new stadium this week and this podcast , Blue room pod and the Toffee TV analysis were the only ones i found . Any other pointers ?
 

GARY_EVERTONIAN said:
I heard the podcast and i agreed with the part where he said spurs have a London advantage ,and the fact that the demand is more for spurs games because many "tourists in London" want to have PL game experience and buy tickets . I also agreed with the corporate seats demand analysis and hence why Everton should not be compared to West ham and Spurs in that respect . But , listening to the podcast i felt like listening to a biased Spurs fan , as he was rating the spurs fanbase as high as Arsenal . and i remember he said spurs can fill upto 80K after some calculations he did . He surely didnot take into consideration the prices Spurs are planning to charge in the new stadium .

But the podcast wasnot so bad . Atleast that was a good discussion around the new stadium . I was looking for a good debate/discussion around the new stadium this week and this podcast , Blue room pod and the Toffee TV analysis were the only ones i found . Any other pointers ?
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Thought The Blueroom pod was quite refreshing, certainly a lot more positive in terms of talking us up without being too OTT about it.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Disagree Finners.

Fans are rightly passionate and should right to voice their opinion without being sneered at;



Keep seeing people sneer/brush off Evertonians as being audacious/cheeky to actually question an 'expert' - what nonsense.

On capacity he's regularly dangled a carrot of 60,000+

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But now, we have Everton with their 99% of fans want a capacity of over 50,000 line followed by Meis downplaying capacity, and about him knowing what size is right for Everton (shouldn't that be dictated to him?!), with him accusing fans of having 'size envy' and pointing to West Ham who inherited a stadium.

The fanbase can't afford to be placid because of the novelty of having someone at the club engage with them on twitter, or because they want access to him for interview.

Urgh...
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absolutely mate.

If the club and dan Meis , deem it ok to engage with fans via twitter , regarding the most important project in the clubs history, then expect to get an honest opinion.

why tweet SH!T like the ones above, driving up expectation, when the plans are not even finalised.

its quite clear from last weeks tweets from dan that there has been an about turn in the design.

one month tweeting 61878 and now saying its not all about capacity.

dan has obv been told to tone down the design, probly for fianancial reasons, but who knows.

either way , the ambition isn't there from our owner, that's for sure.

this saga is going to drag on and on and on, until It is binned entirely.
 

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