New Everton Stadium

[Tel001]

Amazing how so many in here are moaning that Moshiri is going to build a cheap estimated 52k* stadium on a World Heritage site in the heart of the city but won't buy an Everton Shirt unless a betting firm offers them a free shirt with a bet!

CHRIST we want OUR stadium not Liverpool's, West Ham's or Spurs' but the new home of Everton should be for us not an extra 10k "waiting list" who will in time be able to get a season ticket by the time our stadium is erected.

Right now 52k is too big, in 3 years it will be perfect and how knows in 10 years it maybe too small.

Let's finally build Everton's new home on the banks of the royal blue** mersey!

*Estimated this maybe bigger due to planning
**It's never Blue

So I’m 3 years it will be perfect? It’s not going to be finished by then... maybe finished 2024 isn’t it? So years of it stays on schedule , which let’s be honest, it probably won’t . Let’s call it 6-7 years till completion. That means after 3-4 years it won’t be big enough .

 

[WA Toffee]

Probably the biggest ever attendance in the third tier ? Or at least in the top 3. Wednesday or Villa may have had bigger?

Rangers had over 50,000 in the 4th tier.
They also had about 50,000 for a reserves game against Celtic a few years ago

 

[Perseus]

Rangers had over 50,000 in the 4th tier.
They also had about 50,000 for a reserves game against Celtic a few years ago

Sheffield derby may have been 53000+

 

[orly]

Sunderland's attendance yesterday was over 46,000.... and they're in League One.

You can't tell me we couldn't regularly fill a 60,000 stadium in the Premier League.



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That's a lot of very bad people in one place

 

[degsy]

I wondered how long it would be before you rocked up

Trouble is mate, that sounds entirely like par for the course in their thinking.

If you're struggling to get fiance for £550-600M/ 52000...and the story is that those last extra 'jam on he top' 10,000 seats cost proportionally more, then £700 / 60+K is a total none starter.

But what it is though is a nice bit of value added bait for the inevitable Moshiri sell on.
Its like selling your house with planing permission for an extension

 

[Steve0]

That's a lot of very bad people in one place

Reported for racism.

 

[Frang]

Reported for racism.

Ay Steve I dont think mackems come under their own race..

 

[Gareth Gibson]

What doesn't appear to have been fed into the decision over capacity is the 'new stadium effect' which has occurred at all new grounds and at all levels of football. Leicester City is one such example. In their last season at Filbert St the average gate was around 19,500, a fairly typical average for them. Since moving they have never had a single league gate below 20,000 and the initial uplift was of the order of 20%, a figure matched at many new grounds elsewhere. So even factoring in something like a 15% uplift at BM on the non-corporate/hospitality capacity at GP takes the absolute minimum new capacity requirement to around 45,000. The corporate capacity then takes it 50,000. And that's before allowing for the current excess demand for tickets -- even with a team that has won nothing in 23 years!

Great point. Clubs' average attendances invariably increase dramatically when they move to a new stadium.

12,000 extra seats is laughable.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

The second bit about expansion isn't so straight forward I would think.
Just trying to think of recent stadiums built in that way where they have gone on to expand.

Surely even filling in corners (if that's what the design looked like) or adding an extra tier would still be a huge cost if you're doing it retrospectively?
Added to that there's potential loss of matchday income if you're having to close off parts of the ground while you expand etc.
Isn't there also additional cost associated with transport infrastructure once you go over a certain capacity?

Just think it would be better to go big in the first place e.g. 55-60k. Do it once and do it properly.

Spot on.

 

[orly]

Ay Steve I dont think mackems come under their own race..

His head has completely fallen off there. He's one step away from abusing people with autism and mocking the homeless (again).

 

[Steve0]

His head has completely fallen off there. He's one step away from abusing people with autism and mocking the homeless (again).

Oh I've just checked the autism thing. It was a question and it wasn't people. It was one person. You. You were doing some weird passive aggressive foot stomping because I wasn't agreeing with you, then you went mental because i laughed at you a bit. You were essentially trying to bully me and I showed that you couldn't so your role as pseudo forum alpha was challenged and you sulked.
Autism was wrong word as it's allowed you to take the moral high ground.

It was also well over a year ago.

No idea what the homeless thing you're babbling on about.

 

[Sharpies volley]

Sunderland's attendance yesterday was over 46,000.... and they're in League One.

You can't tell me we couldn't regularly fill a 60,000 stadium in the Premier League.



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Sunderland are a reasonably big club as well and their nearest rivals are about 20 miles away compared to ours and are not even that good success wise whereas ours on the other hand... well you know.

 

[MickA]

Sunderland are a reasonably big club as well and their nearest rivals are about 20 miles away compared to ours and are not even that good success wise whereas ours on the other hand... well you know.

I know quite a bit about Sunderland as know loads of their fans through living that way for years. They are a big club but again context is needed.

Their PL attendances over the last 10 years have been swelled by cheap deals and freebies, they completely destroyed any concept of exclusivity and their ticketing model collapsed. It's why they make less than us in match day revenues.

It's a decent case study for capacity/price purposes.

 

[havrey0123]

Trouble is mate, that sounds entirely like par for the course in their thinking.

If you're struggling to get fiance for £550-600M/ 52000...and the story is that those last extra 'jam on he top' 10,000 seats cost proportionally more, then £700 / 60+K is a total none starter.

But what it is though is a nice bit of value added bait for the inevitable Moshiri sell on.
Its like selling your house with planing permission for an extension

Except it's not tho is it.
If moshiri was to sell it theres the value of the club plus the 215m loan that is owed to moshiri.
The clubs worth about 250m + 215m loan to pay off+ 500-600m for a stadium
So that's close to 1bn fo the club and a stadium, I haven't included transfers in that either.

 

[EverBlue92]

Except it's not tho is it.
If moshiri was to sell it theres the value of the club plus the 215m loan that is owed to moshiri.
The clubs worth about 250m + 215m loan to pay off+ 500-600m for a stadium
So that's close to 1bn fo the club and a stadium, I haven't included transfers in that either.

I think Moshiri being a billionaire accountant knows a bit more about finances than a random bloke on the internet in fairness.