New Everton Stadium

Maybe we should write to our local MP asking for a question in the house as to when a decision will be made? We should point out this will stimulate employment in Liverpool.
 
Big Neville Southall said:
Well thought out. I'm actually a fan of lower gradients in lower tiers too. Maybe it's from my days of being at the back of the Gwladys Street with fans bouncing away and jumping all over each other, you can't get that as much in steeper tiers, still that is just one area of the ground.

What do you make of the distance of the roof from the South Stand to the last row of seats in there? From the pics, and I accept the distance might be deceiving but it look a huge distance surely that can't optimise the acoustics? A possible explanation was given on here that it might be purposely high to let more light in? What's your take on it?
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If you look at cross sections of both end stands, you will see that neither derives particularly strong acoustic benefit from the roof. The decision to create an end window with an internally supported barrel-roof, supported by a few transverse major trusses has dictated that shape and that distance above the seated tier. Also, the slight over-emphasis on getting the front row as close to the pitch as possible dictates the steep rake of the stands and the format we have ended up with. It's a shame that this design philosophy wasn't extrapolated to its natural conclusion imo.... and that would've been for a full transluscent roof covering everything, or an opening roof. This would've improved the acoustics by extending that reflective surface further. Also, as we see at many new stadia with their high roof lines, the lower rows become overly exposed to rain. £500m should buy guaranteed dry spectating for everyone.
 

Tom Hughes said:
If you look at cross sections of both end stands, you will see that neither derives particularly strong acoustic benefit from the roof. The decision to create an end window with an internally supported barrel-roof, supported by a few transverse major trusses has dictated that shape and that distance above the seated tier. Also, the slight over-emphasis on getting the front row as close to the pitch as possible dictates the steep rake of the stands and the format we have ended up with. It's a shame that this design philosophy wasn't extrapolated to its natural conclusion imo.... and that would've been for a full transluscent roof covering everything, or an opening roof. This would've improved the acoustics by extending that reflective surface further. Also, as we see at many new stadia with their high roof lines, the lower rows become overly exposed to rain. £500m should buy guaranteed dry spectating for everyone.
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Is the final design relating to such matters unchanged from the original Meis version?
 
I would think this is positive in that if the govt had a look and thought 'not sure about this' they would formally call it in for full scrutiny and probably make that decision to do so relatively quickly. If on the other hand they think it looks fine but because it is so big they might need an extra couple of weeks this type of delay is more likely.

Caveat- I know nothing about the process.
 

Tom Hughes said:
I can't remember if I've seen the revised cross section.... but i think it's only lowered a few feet.
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I think I must be one of very few not bowled over by the interior design/layout with respect to how it will recreate a GP-type intimidating atmosphere. The absence of upper tiers close the pitch is one reason. Another is the distance between the playing area and the first row of supporters. The home end is not big enough (comparison with the Dortmund Wall is laughable) and from what I can figure out there has been a major change between the first and final planning submission with the replacement of several rows of front seating by disabled supporter sections and the necessary extra access space then required. On a general point, I'd have thought that any new state of the art stadium would have seen the end of wheelchaired supporters in ground level seating and instead their being provided with vantage points which all provide far superior, elevated (and dry) viewing positions.
 
Tom Hughes said:
I agree that this was a missed opportunity to both maximise capacity and to emulate the best qualities of GP. There could've been other forces dictating the chosen format such as actual site access/transport/capacity limitations, but that's not clear.

Many modern stands still incorporate overhanging tiers to get more capacity for footprint. This also increases the value of those upper tiers by allowing them to be brought closer to the action. The resultant shallower lower tiers will have to be slightly more set-back to achieve minimum c- values, but this needn't be as distant as say at the Emirates.

The north stand could've had that format to give 2 full home supporting ends with strong identies. One double decker and a larger version of the Gwladys St, with the South Stand just a larger version of the Park end. A shallow lower tier along one side stand could've housed the away fans with a paddock of safe standing to allow more "easily-achieved" away capacity for cup games. Keeping away fans low down and distant from any atmosphere enhancing roof-acoustics.
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What stand built in recent years has overhanging tiers?

Spurs stadium doesn’t, the Emirates doesn’t, the Etihad doesn’t, Sunderland’s stadium of light doesn’t, Benfica Stadio Da Luz doesn’t, Liverpool’s hole punch stand doesn’t - neither will the Anfield road end expansion they’re planning, Old Trafford doesn’t, Sporting Lisbon new stadium doesn’t, Valencia’s half built stadium doesn’t, St James Park doesn’t, Stadio Della Roma wouldn’t have had, Juventus new stadium doesn’t. Borrusia Dortmund stadium doesn’t.
 
muckers said:
What stand built in recent years has overhanging tiers?

Spurs stadium doesn’t, the Emirates doesn’t, the Etihad doesn’t, Sunderland’s stadium of light doesn’t, Benfica Stadio Da Luz doesn’t, Liverpool’s hole punch stand doesn’t - neither will the Anfield road end expansion they’re planning, Old Trafford doesn’t, Sporting Lisbon new stadium doesn’t, Valencia’s half built stadium doesn’t, St James Park doesn’t, Stadio Della Roma wouldn’t have had, Juventus new stadium doesn’t.
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Twickenham, Principality, Fulham's new stand, the 4th tier in the SAF stand at OT is also overlapping. While you could say the majority don't do it because it leads to letterbox views at the back they could incorporated something along those lines and made the tickets a bit cheaper.
 

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